Velvet Mafia Reloaded
News flash
Harlow Cuadra and Joeseph Kerekes are going to fight extradition to Luzerne County Pennsylvania. They both plead not guilty to all charges against them. And the Federal Government seized all their assets. They were arraigned at 9:30 am in Virginia Beach Circut Court. They are being held with out bound. They go to court again on June 14th 2007 in Virginia Beach VA.
Stay tuned for futher updates on Julien's Gay rant page
Harlow Cuadra and Joeseph Kerekes are going to fight extradition to Luzerne County Pennsylvania. They both plead not guilty to all charges against them. And the Federal Government seized all their assets. They were arraigned at 9:30 am in Virginia Beach Circut Court. They are being held with out bound. They go to court again on June 14th 2007 in Virginia Beach VA.
Stay tuned for futher updates on Julien's Gay rant page
The world of gay porn is a place full of secrets, lies, scandals and murder. This case has it all in spades. With a cast of characters as bizarre as they come. Why would Joe and Harlow get involved in such a messy scandal? What did they have to gain? The fact that they were not precluded from working with Sean Lockhart aka Brent Corrigan makes no sense for them to do this. There was no stipulation in the settlement agreement between LSG Media and Cobra Video that said Sean Lockhart could not work with any other studios. As we all know he did the Velvet Mafia with Falcon Studios under the name Fox Ryder.
The only restriction was he could not work with Brent Everett or other cobra models unless it was with Cobra Video. The fact that Joe and Harlow would murder Bryan Kocis is quite troubling to me. There had to be some kind of incentive to make them do this..
The whole police angle about a porn studio turf war is just not going to cut it and the whole contract issue, well it never stopped Sean Lockhart before. Now I have read the news and the evidence is to say the least damning. But I just don’t see them doing this for the reasons stated by the authorities. There simply has to be more to it than that. Not to slight Sean Lockhart aka Brent Corrigan but to me he ain’t worth killing someone over. Mind you he may still have some box office draw but he is always surrounded by scandal. It seems that everything he gets involved with turns to shit. Now mind you I’m not trying to be bitchy but I am just stating what I have observed. As you all know I have worked diligently to get the truth about the age matter between he and Cobra Video. I have also been accused of playing favorites when it came to my blog posts on various subjects involving all of the principals involved. But to tell you the truth I never saw this coming. I was just as shocked as the rest of you. What would posses two attractive successful porn entrepreneurs to get involved in such a salacious scandal. That my friends is the million-dollar question. From what has been reported it would appear that this all started in Vegas.
So I guess what happens in Vegas does not stay in Vegas after all. At an expensive dinner at Le Cirque a plan was hatched to do away with Bryan Kocis or so the authorities say. We have a potentially damning e-mail sent out to the subscribers of Boybatter heralding the fact that they will be working with Brent Corrigan. During this time LSG media (Corrigan camp) are in secret negotiations with Cobra Video because of a prior contract issue and the use of a name as well as cyber squattingAll the while seeming to lead Boybatter on that they will work with them while simultaneously using this fact as a bargaining tool with their negotiations with Cobra. The settlement is finally signed on January 20th 2007 and is alluded to in a cryptic blog post on Brent’s blog.
Four days later Bryan is found murdered in his home after a suspicious fire. But the Corrigan Camp denies they are going to be working with Boybatter after the murder and they quickly lawyer up. We move forward 3 months almost to the day and we have Joe and Harlow visiting San Diego. And we have rumors about a possible video shoot and some pictures to prove it.
It was during this visit that the police acquired the most damning evidence so far or so they say. What I do not understand is if Sean and Grant were informed of this heinous plot to dispose of Bryan Kocis why did they not warn him about it. It is obvious that they must have been in contact with the authorities but when did this occur. Was it before the murder or after that is the $64,000.00? If the police were aware of this plot why is Bryan Dead? We have the time period form January 11th thru January 24th to warn Bryan of his impending doom. If the police had taken this threat seriously we would not be writing about this now. So that’s my take on the whole messy situation, what’ yours comments are welcome.This is Elmysterio and I’m out.
okay guys, this is sign-off time for me; until tomorrow; when I'll be up early to catch new news .. head over to my blog page for more links tomorrow. Good post, Elms :-)
ReplyDelete"But to tell you the truth I never saw this coming. I was just as shocked as the rest of you. "
ReplyDeleteSome were not so shocked. : )
Elm, I get the impression you don't want to believe J/H did it, simply because you don't like the apparent motive.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, I'm getting that impression from a lot of commenters. Their comments usually begin with "It doesn't make sense..." blah blah blah blah.
And of course, these various tiresome motive arguments conveniently fail to address the credit card reciepts, car rentals, hotel reservations, knife purchases, camera possession, taped conversations, etc etc etc...
Just 'cause you don't like the motive, your willing to THROW OUT all that hard evidence above ...?
Why do some people here persist in overfixating on motive? To the exclusion of ALL else? Hmmmm?
Is it possible, just MAYBE, to say "Well this person is different than me, with different life experiences...maybe he see things in a way that gives him differing motives than I would have."
Or "maybe this person has a really good understandible motive, but he has concealed it from view...hence I should convict him on the basis of the mountain of other evidence saying he did it...and let the hidden motive reveal itself in due time."
A cryptically phrased possible threat does not equal a plot. If Albert say’s “Ben Kingsley should go because he has not made a decent movie since Gandhi.’ are you going to report that to the authorities? What response do you expect? With people we hardly know, we hardly take them seriously. Reality check time. Even if you believe them, who else would? Understand Bryans mentality. No one was superior or a threat.
ReplyDeleteJim I’m not saying that the evidence is not good. I am saying that it does not make any sense to kill someone over a porn model. It is just stupid to do this. And for what did anyone gain from it? Well I guess you got to gloat. Well I hope your happy that 5 lives have irrevocably been changed. Yee haw Jim you were right. Are you happy now?
ReplyDeleteJim: Some were not so shocked.
ReplyDeleteIndeed.
Albert,
ReplyDeleteYeah too I noticed that was the new fall back Brent bashing meme. "He failed to WARN!"
LOL. Well, couldn't say he murdered Bryan; nope, turns out Harlow did.
So, move down to the next level...he and Harlow plotted it together! Well, NO...turns out, not only did they turn Harlow in right away, but they became BUGGED INFORMANTS in a daring, heroic operation to ensnare this pair of highly dangerous killers.
Now, are the Cobra supporters here grateful Grant and Brent RISKED THIER LIVES down there on that beach that day, to catch Bryan's murderer?
Nooooo!
No, instead they fall back to Brent-bashing position number 3..."They failed to WARN!!!!"
Um, LOL!
Anyways Albert, you've pointed out the ridiculousness of the Fail-to-warn meme quite well; so I'll say no more. But I just wanted to point out the history and pattern of Brent-bashing argumentative decent, just to give all here some perspective. : )
I wonder what Brent-bashing fall back position #4 will be?
Albert, If it were you and someone made such a threat I would at least let you know about it. As well as the authorities you can’t just let these kind of things go. As we have seen in this case.
ReplyDeleteElm: What would posses two attractive successful porn entrepreneurs to get involved in such a salacious scandal?
ReplyDeleteI don’t know, but that’s not whom we’re talking about. We’re talking about two bullshitting wannabes. I don’t doubt they were making some money but they weren’t that successful in the porn business, at least not to the degree they so clearly and desperately wanted. Relatively few people actually are. You’ve said yourself that nobody had even heard of Boybatter before this. The question is what they thought the murder would accomplish, not what you or I think.
Elm: It is obvious that [Sean and Grant] must have been in contact with the authorities but when did this occur? Was it before the murder or after?
I think it clearly was not before. I think a better question is whether it was before or after they realized that police were pursuing Drake, who inevitably would be identified as Harlow. In other words, did they offer cooperation immediately or wait first to see if Harlow/Joe might get away with it?
"Jim I’m not saying that the evidence is not good. I am saying that it does not make any sense to kill someone over a porn model. It is just stupid to do this."
ReplyDeleteElm, do you remember near the end of the movie Fargo? When Marge talks to the last kidnapper in the back of the police car?
You are actually sounding a lot like Marge in that scene.
"And for what? Just a little bit of money...?"
Fargo. Like the opening caption said, based on a true story.
Jim if the police were notified than they failed to warn as well. I am not putting all the blame on Brent. You can start a piss fight if you will but get this straight I am not going to go quietly. I think this murder was disgusting. And you can not say that I Am a Brent basher because I was there the whole time defending him. I worked very hard to prove the age debate and I will not sit here and let you start any shit. I am pissed that this turned out the way it did. And there is nothing that I can do about it now but share how I feel about it. And it sucks. It is shocking and alarming and I just don’t get how or why someone would do such a thing. I guess I don’t live on the jaded side of the planet that you reside on.
ReplyDeleteAlbert: A cryptically phrased possible threat does not equal a plot.
ReplyDeleteWe don't really know if that's how the subject came up at the Vegas dinner, and we may never know. I'd expect Grant/Sean to present it that way to police, whether true or not. Still, you are right that IF it was just a cryptic comment then it hardly constitutes a plot.
Jim: Turns out, not only did they turn Harlow in right away, but they became BUGGED INFORMANTS in a daring, heroic operation to ensnare this pair of highly dangerous killers.
Jim, we agree on most things but I have to part company with you here, at least to point out that we don't know if what you say is true. It might be exactly as you assume, but the motive for cooperating could easily have been entirely self-serving and have nothing whatever to do with heroism or a desire for justice. For that matter, we don't really know if they were aware of the surveillance - although I agree it woud appear so.
Jim - FYI, Fargo was not based on a true story. That statement in the opening was a joke, hoax, or whatever you'd call it. Or at least that's what I've read.
ReplyDeleteAs far as Brent goes he may be a nice guy. I don’t know I have never met him but like I have said from my point of observation he is not really some one that I really would want to be involved with. He has a perpetual storm cloud hanging over his head.
ReplyDeleteActually thats been confirmed, they were carrying the bugs on them for the police. Whatever their motives, they were playing for the good guys.
ReplyDeleteSee story link # 14 over on Julien's page. The police explicitly say they were "bugged informants."
And whatever the motive..it was dangerous. And hence heroic.
Elm, should Grant and Brent get any praise or credit for these heroics?
Up to this point, I seem to be the only person making this obvious point. Which is peculiar.
Elm: I am pissed that this turned out the way it did.
ReplyDeleteHuh? Why? You've said for weeks you want the killers found and it appears they have been. Granted, there might be more to the story and more to come, but what about the last 48 hours' events could possibly make you "pissed?"
Jim, let's continue to be careful about what we think we know, shall we? The police said no such thing. The story says that police "bugged informants." That is, the writer chose that description. I could read that either way: your explanation, or that the police had informants and decided to place them under surveillance in order to see if what they were saying privately matched the information they were providing.
ReplyDeleteIf the police bug your house, do you know about it?
Anyway, I suspect you're right, but I don't think it's established from what we've read.
Whether it was dangerous or heroic, I don't know. Perhaps the alternative was risking indictment as a co-conspirator.
I guess I'm just reserving comment on that because cooperating in the way it appears they dd is something I'd expect whether they were entirely innocent or knew full well of a murder plot. I don't think, considered alone, that it indicates one or the other.
Why am I pissed you ask? Well for one it was stupid. I really can not wrap my mind around such stupidity. All of this is just not in the realm of sanity. To do this you have to be crazy. Bryan is dead because of that crazed obsession for a model. He was affected by it and I guess so were Joe and Harlow. It just does not make sense now and to me it never will. I can see that Brent is attractive but to kill over. Jason had it write all along when he called him Helen of Troy.
ReplyDeleteWell, here's the exact quote from the article, read it as you will:
ReplyDelete"They bugged informants who recorded conversations with suspects. One allegedly recorded Cuadra saying he was there when Kocis was killed. "
"Bryan is dead because of that crazed obsession for a model. He was affected by it and I guess so were Joe and Harlow."
ReplyDeleteKinda reminds one, in a way, John Hinckly Jr./Jody Foster.
Was Harlow trying to impress Brent, by killing Bryan?
Jim, I agree that's probably what happened. Actually it was the first thing I thought was happening when I saw the photo of them together at the beach.
ReplyDeleteOK, actually it was the second thing I thought, after "WTF?"
Elm, I think Jim's earlier points about motive are well considered. Yes, the whole thing seems so nuts to us that it's understandable to think there has to be more to it. And maybe there is. But maybe there isn't.
ReplyDeleteThousands of people get divorced every year. Tens of thousands probably. Every so often, one of them decides he'd rather kill his spouse than give up half their assets to her. It's nuts, but it's to some extent also common.
Harlow/Joe must have believed the murder would accomplish something for them. Maybe a few things. It might have been as simple, stupid and sordid as removing what they perceived as an obstacle to their aspirations. At the same time, it would put Sean/Grant in their debt (or so they might have imagined). As a bonus, it would open a hole in the market they hoped to exploit.
As Jim pointed out, we look at this from the viewpoint of people who would (I assume) never consider doing what they did. But that's not how they saw it.
You're right - it's all stupid. But considering the amount of evidence they left behind (assuming the reports are accurate), stupidity fits.
Jim, you are not the only one. Months ago I said when this is over you will see the real hero was Grant. For a lot of reasons. Forget the Brent bashing if you like. Pointless dribble that. Grant had to hold it together. He did.
ReplyDeleteLet's see here. Someone dines with Grant and proposes a murder and business deal. However cryptic the comment, however fleetingly it was discussed, this future killer leaves the dinner believing that it's a viable idea.
ReplyDeleteI think I'll hold off on the "hero" stuff for now.
albert,
ReplyDelete"Jim, you are not the only one. Months ago I said when this is over you will see the real hero was Grant. For a lot of reasons. Forget the Brent bashing if you like. Pointless dribble that. Grant had to hold it together. He did."
finding 2 stupid guys who did what he wanted to do a year ago makes him a really hero..i see.
What about Dewayne - we haven't hear what he has to say. So Dewayne (if you are out there), what do you think happened??
ReplyDeleteOkay I was going to sleep but then news started streaming in for early-bird versions of the papers back east. Yet again, I'm plugging my blog (sorry, elms) ..more links to news on my blog :-)
ReplyDeleteThanks, Julien. I'm up all night awaiting a very early flight, so I'll take a look.
ReplyDeletejulien we apprieciate blatant advertisments. it so reminds me of mark. I miss mjt.
ReplyDeleteI might need to go back and read some of those Mark posts, now that we (seem to) know it was a murderer writing. Frankly, I'd been just skipping over them entirely.
ReplyDeleteJulien has some new links - check this
ReplyDeleteFrom The Times Tribune "They wanted to make a movie with Mr. Lockhart and told an informant in early January the film would make them “a ton of money.”
The same informant told police that in the days and weeks after Mr. Kocis’ death he noticed Mr. Cuadra and Mr. Kerekes became “reclusive,” not speaking to anyone.
But as time passed, Mr. Cuadra, 25, and Mr. Kerekes, 33, thought they had gotten away with murder, police say.
“I should have thought where all those fingers would have pointed,” Mr. Cuadra allegedly said while under surveillance on a San Diego nude beach April 28. “I remember looking at the press. I’m just glad this (expletive) is over.”
Money...possible motive
Interesting new items from today's early stories:
ReplyDeletePolice say they developed a lot of leads very early from computer records.
It sounds as if police might have had an informant in VA.
Harlow's lawyer is hoping there will be some legal problem with the surveillance recordings, because investigators from three states were involved.
Police declined to specify how the recordings were made.
My absolute favorite is that Harlow sent an e-mail to a reporter in late April, saying how much his business had improved, and that the “world was ready for Brent Corrigan & me to film so here is a preview pic taken yesterday of Brent and I on a nude beach in San Diego before our first shoot.”
"Elm: I am pissed that this turned out the way it did."
ReplyDeletecoz it was not bb?
depain is probably hiding, he had it all so very wrong from the very start, as did most of the sean cohorts. who the hell is he anyway? an old man trying to look like some skateboard kid. was depain in on any of it? i think he was. he went to great lengths to shift blame from the four involved. time will tell.
ReplyDeletei think in days or weeks to come we will find out sean and his cobrakiller cut a deal to give up harlow and joe. i am sticking with the hitman theory, it fits very well, it always has.
at some point sean's real information will come out during someones trial, if not his own, then harlow's for sure. i mention this coz it will end all speculation of his past claims once and for all.
the trouble sean has caused in his 20 or 21 years is stunning to say the least. had sean and his cobrakiller not taken their war with bryan public, he'd more than likely be alive today.
elm not too many were shocked. some have seen this coming. you refused to open your mind to the possibility that others such as myself could be right. you were too caught up in the online beatings - you never did say who was pulling your strings - even though it was clearly obvious.
yeap sure love to read those papers ... yes I'm with elms .. in shock - and i always thought harlow and mark were suss.... I even joked about it ... as i guess it never seamed real....and i sure never really thought they would kill .... which shocked me more ... and still shocks me that it was them ... amazed that they left such a trail... amazed that sean and grant are involved on ANY level ... so much of the story doesn't make sense ... the motive being the weirdest thing i have heard ... but one this is proven beyond a doubt is the increased popularity of the boybatter vids and sites... I figure that if they were tweekers (and joe aka mark sure looks tweeked) that was their downfall and ego's came into a play in a sureal world... except it was no a sureal world ... it was real ...
ReplyDeleteand as for brent ... one has to wonder when he knew it was harlow.. or when grant knew ....
I think much is yet to be revealed ...
guess the bottom line is the evidence is there according to the police .... so its the motive thats going to the issue ... they sure don't look or sound like sock puppets... so one has to wonder who they say instigated the whole disaster...
I'm with elms in that the devistation and the lives destroyed by this .. and it surely has to put an end to a few carreers... if if it doen't then someones a lot stronger than any of us think ...
reading back over the posts and the promos and the rants and the evil words from some ... one has to wonder which poster was in the know ... which one(s) were informants all along... and which ones knew the truth from their first posts....
take care elms ... and be asured that you blog is a very worthwhile avenue to peoples understanding and venting of this whole..... whole ... increadable sickening real story
the police say all four met on the beach for “discussions concerning the planning, execution and subsequent destruction of evidence” re bryans murder.
ReplyDeletedo you think harlow would discuss these things with sean and the cobrakiller if they were not a part of it from the start?
rob says: "and be asured that you blog is a very worthwhile avenue to peoples understanding and venting of this whole..... whole ... increadable sickening real story"
ReplyDeletei second that Rob. keep up the work here elms, even i appreciate it.
"Cuadra said in an April 29 e-mail sent to The Times Leader that the “world was ready for Brent Corrigan & me to film so here is a preview pic taken yesterday of Brent and I on a nude beach in San Diego before our first shoot.”
ReplyDeletei'd like more details on this 'shoot'. it is odd if sean was wired - assuming a shoot actually took place.
want to see harlow in action for free?
ReplyDeletescroll 1/2 way down page and click the play button.
http://drabboiz.thumblogger.com/
Albert and Jim - If I was at a dinner with two individuals whom I had never met prior to that occasion and had only spoken to via E-mail and I felt the conversation was turning into a possible murder plot against someone I was going into business with in the next couple of days, someone I was going to see in person in two days, I would not hesitate to let the individual know of my concern, nor brush their statement off.
ReplyDeleteYou ask, why would Sean and Grant believe them. I say, why would they doubt them. Sean and Grant knew next to nothing about Harlow and Joe and had only met them that one evening. They were concerned enough to change the subject which, to me, indicates they believed what was being said by Harlow and Joe, or it made them uncomfortable. Either way, those feelings should have been relayed to Bryan, the potential subject of the plot, and the authorities during any one of the thirteen days between the 11th of January and the 24th.
Maybe I don't run in the same circles as you, but how many dinner conversations do you attend with acquaitences where potential murder plots are discussed about a business partner of yours? I'd venture a guess and say none. So, if that situation was to come up, I really hope it would be of concern to you.
Again all this speculation is causing divisions. We just don't know what was said and when it was said.
ReplyDeleteI am sure we have all had conversations that at the time seem inconsequential only to review them in the light of subsequent actions.
Whether Sean & Grant were willing informants actually altruistically or under a plea bargain will become known. Informant does not equal innocent Jim.
I am relieved that arrests have been made and the reported evidence is fairly comprehensive. It will be very interesting to see how Harlow's alibi stands up though.
As for motive, there could be two. Joe could just be a bored psychopath that wanted a bit of action and to please his b/f. Harlow is just a boastful kid and a fantasist.
I think they made a similiar mistake to what others have done in the past. They thought no one would care about the death of a 43 y/o convicted sex offender. That people would simply think he had his just reward.
All credit to the authorities for pursuing this crime.
Elm said:
ReplyDelete"BB began steering discussion towards a hitman by talking about it on Sat Jan 27th. Everystep of the way BB has been trying to "shape" a story."
yep i sure did - steering you all towards the truth.
"This leads few other posters on other threads and me to believe that he is hiding something. Something that could break this murder case wide open. Could it be a confession from him on his involvement in this case? Or is he just the main culprit."
obviously not so. find your drama somewhere else.
"He accuses others of hiding yet he is the one who is truly hiding, behind his false bravado and truly evil nature. BB come out, come out where ever you are. The police really want to talk to you."
no elm, you come out. i said b4 i have already spoken with those who need to know my thoughts and theory in this case. did you?
you are a total asshole. proof is provided above. you idiot.
I don't doubt that Harlow and Joe killed Bryan. The evidence is too damning and their statements in San Diego are far more proof than I need to see they are behind this. I agree though with Elm's blog post here. The motive does not add up. There was no provision in the settlement that I saw, as shown in the MOU, which stated Sean could not work with other studios. Sean knew this during the January 11th Vegas dinner because he signed the MOU back on 12-7-06.
ReplyDeleteThere are pieces here that still don't add up, as far as motive go. They'll come out in the days and weeks to come, I'm sure. So, I guess I'll follow our very own Bold Faced Anon's classic words and "Stay Tuned!"
cad says "All credit to the authorities for pursuing this crime."
ReplyDeleteabsolutely, ignore our bitching for a minute, you all did and OUTSTANDING job. congratulations and well done.
I second what Cad and BB said. Props to all the authorities and investigators in this case who were working tirelessly these past few months putting together a case which appears to be quite solid. Well done!
ReplyDeletemj we do not know what lies sean told harlow and joe. i assume lies were told as they have been to everyone else.
ReplyDeleteInformant does not equal innocent
ReplyDeletethats correct ... dare say that Cad be on the mark ... it has not been reported who of the two carried out the deed ... maybe the informant is harlow himself ....
maybe the informant is harlow himself ....
ReplyDeleteok that one made me really laugh.
BB you are beyond a pest. I am not going to sit here and listen to your back tracking babble. If you presist in you idiotic rants. I will delete every post you have made on this blog. So you can be civil or be deleted your choice. What’s it going to be?
ReplyDeleteThank you elm for the newest post. Im about to jump over to julien's page to read the newest articles. Can't wait. But I'm in agreement with you and still think their motive was really weak . The other evidence, the hotel receipt, rental car, knife, are all damning and that will likely be enough to convict but I am still confused as well as to why they would think they need to kill someone just to have Brent do a movie with them.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone think Sean and Grant will be found guilty of enciting them to murder?
- Martin
Someone suggested that the black sunglasses Sean was shown wearing in some of the beach shots were a surveilance device. Sounds a bit Mission Impossible to me, but anyone have any ideas?
ReplyDeleteI also wonder whether the listening device recorded or transmitted. If it transmitted then presumably the police were close to all the action.
The arrests do better explain the contrast between the solemn beach pics on Sean's site and the smiling ones on Harlow's.
I still think that very first cropped pic of Sean and Harlow in Vegas is going to be iconic.
Hey Martin that’s a good question and the answer to which I will not venture to go there. I have been following this mess since the beginning and suffice to say it is just a bit to out there to comprehend. I guess I just don’t think in that manner. All I can say is some of us are truly wired differently. I just don’t see why if this was discussed on the 11th of January why Bryan not warned about the potential danger? That is my major point of contention in all of this. This is what really causes me the most problems, if this is true then it appears they are complicate in the crime: "Just days before the murder, Cuadra and Kerekes met with Kocis’ top star, Sean Lockhart, to speak business and inferred they could have Kocis killed when told Lockhart was under contact — though in a bitter dispute — with Kocis. The two asked: “What if Bryan left the country?” Believing the question involved a possibly murder plot, Lockhart and a business partner, Grant Roy, declined and switched the subject. A confidential informant later told police a “verbal agreement” was made at the meeting for 19-year-old Lockhart to begin working with Cuadra and Kerekes if Kocis was not in the picture. There was a 13 day period between when this conversation was held and when Bryan was murdered. It kind of makes you wonder what was the real plan?
ReplyDeleteElm, can you play nice?
ReplyDeleteyeah .... it still freaks me out .... theres so much missing ... plea deal enciting ... well ...
ReplyDeleteat present it was the
great american dollar
that encited them
ya no stress here Elms ... i joked "badly" once about Harlow and did it again before ... its all in bad taste or would be if the whole deal weren't so real
ReplyDeleteand ... any regular posters missing in action ?
ReplyDeleteElm said: "There was a 13 day period between when this conversation was held and when Bryan was murdered. It kind of makes you wonder what was the real plan?"
ReplyDeletethe obvious was staring us all in the face this whole time. you and i both discounted harlow - my reason was his hiring a PI, who would do that if they were guilty i thought. how wrong i was on that.
the plan was for sean and the cobrakiller to have bryan removed. they lost so much with MOU. knowing the way cobrakiller made attacks and spewed his public hatred towards bryan, i see that as motive enough to have harlow/joe do the deed.
Yeah I know what you mean Rob. I joked with mjt myself and sot to know him a little and that is why I'm just taken aback by the whole thing.
ReplyDeleteBB I can play nice and if you've noticed I have been.
we do not know what promises the cobrakiller made to sean to lure him away from bryan... whatever they were, he clearly failed.
ReplyDeleteelm, all i have asked is one thing... open your mind to what i say, then agree/disagree.
ReplyDeletegetting constantly attacked on here was no fun, so i fought back is all.
did that make me the killer? obviously not. those that made the attacks, depain in particular made me sure he was connected in some way. so i guess i can understand how some thought that of me. not that it makes it right.
Well, this is the "media version" of what actually happened. I would not rely on this. The explanation of the motive is just ridiculous. I guess we will never know the true story.
ReplyDeleteI share Elm's opinion, the development of the case is utterly incredible, yet the evidence is pretty strong to be ignored.
And it sure makes a difference now when the alleged killer is "a real person" and not an anonymous murderer because it reveals again his cynicism and brutality of the crime. The shock is totally understandable. It was so much easier to joke about the case before we had this information and some of us really thought C/R/C/K were not involved at all.
I can't agree with Jim - even if Corrigan and Roy cooperated with the police it doesn't mean they are completely innocent and aren't the next to be charged. Although I don't believe they are involved in the murder to the extent that they agreed to let it happen... but they could be aware that Cuadra wanted to get Kocis out of the way..somehow - but it doesn't constitute a crime in my opinion if they had this mere, quite vague knowledge (unless they knew that he was ready to commit a crime) - it's just a matter of moral responsibility. Or is there such crime under American law?
Maybe they just didn't foresee the effects of their words.
The reason why Cuadra talked with them freely about the crime might be that he THOUGHT they actually wanted him to kill Kocis (even if they DIDN'T) and it matches the assumption that he wanted to impress Corrigan (however weird and twisted it is).
Yes, just speculating...
L.J.
Elms, I really appreciate your work!
cad said
ReplyDelete"Informant does not equal innocent Jim."
Exactly!
I didn't read your and rob's post, sorry for repeating.
L.J.
Some US states have laws based on people failing to act to stop a crime e.g. if you see someone being held up at knifepoint and you just walk away without doing something.
ReplyDeleteI forget the correct legal term but it could be "wreckless or negligent indifference" or such.
If you knew, or had a reasonable basis to know, that someone was planning a murder and did nothing to stop it then that is likley to constitute indifference.
bb a truce is acceptable.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Sean give Bryan a hug or even a kiss at some club in vegas?
ReplyDeleteWas that before or after the meal with Harlow?
Was Sean acting like Judas and identifying Bryan to Harlow?
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteDidn't Sean give Bryan a hug or even a kiss at some club in vegas?
Was that before or after the meal with Harlow?
Was Sean acting like Judas and identifying Bryan to Harlow?
May 17, 2007 6:33 AM
these were 2 different days. January 11th was the dinner and January 13th at the hustla ball in Vegas this is where Sean hugged Bryan.
Cad,
ReplyDeletethanks for the explanation.
I think the problem is you have to reasonably foresee that a crime might occur.
In other words, it must be quite obvious that a crime is going to happen. When someone talks per iocum about planning a crime or if you take it as a joke and you can't realize that he actually intends to do so that it is not the case, I would say.
L.J.
Elm, an excellent post that brings up a ton of legitimate questions.
ReplyDeleteGrant is an arrogant, controlling fool and Sean continues to live in a fantasy world.
ReplyDeleteThose of you who paint them as heroes (Jim) have abandoned all logic, sense of fair play, and critical thinking regarding these two sad specimens.
I forgot about the hug. Interesting.
ReplyDeleteSo the hug happened after the dinner where Grant steared the conversation away from murder.
I suppose there is no way to know whether Harlow was still there on the 13th and saw them together.
LJ - I was not making any judgement but only responding to someone asking about the legal position on knowing about a murder and failing to act.
If the matter went to trial it would of course have to be found beyond reasonable doubt. The context of the conversation and many other factors would come into evidence.
I would expect Harlow & Joe's attorney to try and spread out the guilt and with questions over the motive S&G are not excluded from this by a long way.
Of course the police want two strong cases not four weaker ones. If they can convict Harlow and Joe on the physical evidence without involving Sean or Grant then they will.
Any competant atty. could raise reasonable doubt in a juries mind if Sean & Grant were prosecution witnesses. All they need to do is introduce some of Grant's "Cobrakiller" posts from Juicygoo to suggest he had his own motive to kill Bryan. Sean's own blog would not help the prosecution.
Remember we are dealing with a jury that will be looking at this whole messy affair without the benefit of being in either the LSG or Cobra camps.
All the defence need do is raise doubt.
So better the police stick to the physical evidence and keep Sean & Grant out of it.
Finally, I challenge everyone to think of the first name that came into their head when they heard Bryan had been murdered. OK a micro-second later you may have dismissed it. But the thought was there - and that is what you call doubt.
Didn't Harlow mention he left the next day after the dinner?
ReplyDeleteYes, Cad, I understand.
I was just trying to make it clear for me :))
L.J.
Sean Lockhart is the toxic twink. If he ever makes another porn film I really doubt any one will watch it. There is just to much disaster attached to him. Everything he touches gets destroyed. He worked for cobra video and look what happened, he worked for falcon and look at where they are now. he was in talks with boy batter and look at what happened there. It looks like he even tanked Donkey Punch. Even his own company is going down the tubes. When will he learn to just go away?
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the authorities have checked into Harlow's phone and email records to see if and how often he and Sean were in contact with each other. I'm sure that first email back in 2006 that Harlow received from Sean can be verified as legitimate or not. What about their AIM conversations - can these be verified? When did Harlow and Joe purchase their tickets to Vegas - the day before they actually left or sooner?
ReplyDeleteI'm not discounting Sean and Grant's involvement just yet.
The more that comes out - like the latest Citizen's Voice article the more you have to question the intelligence of these guys.
ReplyDeleteThey are just so stupid.
They have left a near perfect audit trail of their crime. They seemed to have been clever with destroying the immediate crime scene but then they go and leave a knife that can be traced back to them as only being purchased a few days earlier.
Oh and I notice their $1m house is stated as only a $500,000 in the papers.
Stupid, just stupid.
in german we have a saying: "dumm fickt gut" maybe it is true ;-)
ReplyDeleteYou left out the part where Sean gassed the Kurds and sent nuclear secrets to North Korea. I have stated this before and I will again, until you have the facts you do not know what you are talking about. Many of you are starting to sound like Damon Kruezer. Take a fact that you have heard and transpose it into something you want it to mean. People keep trying to find logical reasons for illogical things. The motive just does not make sense so many are saying. Since when did insanity like the murder fit into such a neat package? One hears well they had no history that shows they could do this. As if all murders are committed by people with long criminal pasts. The problem here is that people here are trying to take some alleged facts and make them say what they already believe. The reality is you do not have the facts, yet many here seen to act like they do. It just amazes me that people can express such hate for people they do not even know, while at the same time try and defend what may well turn out to be brutal murderers. When one has no idea what the truth is, you should be wary of calling someone else a liar.
ReplyDeleteI read about a murder case where the body was never found but in his summing up the defence attorney made a grand gesture and said the alleged victim was about to walk through the courtroom door.
ReplyDeleteWhen all the jury turned their heads to look he said that indicated that they had doubts.
The only problem was that unlike the jury, the accused didn't bother to turn around to look and so was found guilty.
No doubt a totally untrue story.
More news coming in. We do get a couple more interesting facts, however. One is...it looks like the police had help from an unknown informant very close to H/J:
ReplyDelete"They wanted to make a movie with Mr. Lockhart and told an informant in early January the film would make them “a ton of money.”
The same informant told police that in the days and weeks after Mr. Kocis’ death he noticed Mr. Cuadra and Mr. Kerekes became “reclusive,” not speaking to anyone. "
This indicates to me a close friend, possibly within Boybatter itself? One of the boys in the escort stable?
Quite possibly also the "informant" who told police some sort of vague verbal "conditional" agreement was reached in Vegas. If so, the informant was not at the dinner (for 4), but is getting his info second hand from Harlow.
The second revelation is even more interesting...it appears the conversation at the beach included a lengthy explanation and APOLOGY to Brent and Grant, by Harlow, for committing the murder:
"... I should have thought where all those fingers would have pointed. I remember looking at the press. I’m just glad this (expletive) is over,” Cuadra allegedly said while under surveillance on a San Diego, Calif., nude beach on April 28. "
Question for the Brent haters today is, if Brent and Grant urged Harlow to murder Kocis, why is Harlow explaining and apologizing to Brent for doing it?
Time for your next fall back position! : )
Hi Jim. I hope we have the opportunity to read transcripts of the surveillance or even better the live tapes.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many informants the police had.
I don't think anything is black or white with the limited information that has been released. It is fascinating to see things develop and I can't believe how stupid Harlow & Sean have been.
Cad,
ReplyDeleteIndeed, incredibly dumb they were. This was obviously their first murder.
I'm curious as to rest of the bugged conversations as well. I'm sure if we hear more of Harlow's explanation/apology to Brent for the murder, we will get more insight to his true motive.
i thought about the motive. it can be the settlement. when the joint venture between cobra and lsg would have started and cobra had access to 4 additional bc scenes, there would be not much room for additional bc footage by boybatter. this is still not sufficient, there were dozens of porn stars boybatter could hire. but we should not expect that all this will make much sense. especially after we have seen that trail of evidences.
ReplyDeleteand i was fighting with jim about the sense of all this at the beginning hm well... ;-)
BTW Cad the jockstrap just hit $1000.
ReplyDeleteI won't bother with the full bid history, but that guy from England seems determined to have it.
Which I'm sure is great news to you as you won't have to travel long on pilgrimages to go see it. : )
I just wonder what the timeline was for the investigation and what decided the timing of the arrests.
ReplyDeleteIt is also strange that they were so public in their search for what evidence there was against them.
It is almost a masterclass in how not to commit a murder.
Perhaps they saw all the publicity that Sean has attracted, although been uable to financially exploit, from his dispute with Cobra and thought they could do one better.
In the short term the murder certainly raised their profile and probably their income.
But just dumb, dumb dumb.
We don't need to look far for a movie title - Dumb & Dumber
PS Did you read my comment about Jocks ? I made it on another thread.
"PS Did you read my comment about Jocks ? I made it on another thread. "
ReplyDeleteOh yeah. : )
Note to Kent/Damon ! No one ever said you were an old hag working in the basement passing herself off as a journalist. What we said was you were an old hag living off your 83 year old mother who you had evicted from her senior citizens subsided housing because you would not get a job. Yes there are two people who should be worrying Kent and Barbara. I am sure she will be thrilled to know you are shilling now for alleged murderers. Shall we post your court papers again? Where Mr. Know-it-all showed the Norwell Housing Authority how you knew it all and they knew nothing? As I recall the morning they kicked you and your mother to the curb you posted slime about Brent till 3AM then said you had gone to the Benelux Countries for a sabbatical. When in fact you were in a welfare motel with mommie hiding from process servers. Oh the lies that flow from you.
ReplyDeleteBTW, on the subject of motive, there was one comment Harlow made into Brent's recording device, which I mentioned yesterday, but did not really explore:
ReplyDelete"When talk of the Kocis’ murder arose, Cuadra allegedly said, ... "It almost seems like I got revenge and I know that sounds (expletive) up.""
Facinating. You know, one of the prime murder theories floated about these past four months has been the Obsessed Fan Theory. I.e, that an obsessed Brent fan took it on himself to be an avenging angel for Brent, based on the bitter public dispute.
Could Harlow's statement above indicate he WAS such an obsessed fan? Food for thought...
JIm, I read that and wondered what he was talking about which is why I want to see these quotes in context.
ReplyDeleteIf Harlow was a fan I guess you would have been able to identify him from the posts on Sean's blog. Unless they were too sychophantic (lol?) to be posted.
I am big on timing. I wonder what initiated the first contact between Harlow and Sean.
The second revelation is even more interesting...it appears the conversation at the beach included a lengthy explanation and APOLOGY to Brent and Grant, by Harlow, for committing the murder:
ReplyDeleteJim have you read the affidavit? if you did you would know that grant was up on the cliff. he was not on the beach. the statement you are quoting is wrong. the statement was in the paper and i believe it was " “It almost seems like I got revenge and I know that sounds (expletive) up.”
is the affidavit available somewhere?
ReplyDeleteI cut and pasted the quote right from the news story. I "..." out the "he went quick..." part for clarity.
ReplyDeleteAnd no, I haven't read the affivit, obviously; Julien to this point has been unable himself to get a copy. I'm waiting for his diligent efforts to be fruitful.
And how is it you've come by a copy?
If Grant was on the cliff, then, eh so be it! Just wondering if this affidavit is indeed viewable somewhere, however.
Anon. OK we don't know the timeline of when the conversation took place on the beach.
ReplyDeleteSomeone took the photos and did the filming. In the circumstances I doubt Grant would be inclined to leave Sean alone with Harlow and Joe.
There was something on Harlow's blog about Grant & Joe having their own discussions separate from Harlow & Sean.
Doesn't it seems more likely that H&J would mention killing Bryan later in the day when things should have been a bit more relaxed.
We are all guessing and quotes out of context don't help us.
I have checked PACER but the criminal papers are not filed yet.
ReplyDeleteWhere, Jim, does it say that Harlow apologized to Sean? And what would he have apologized for? As has been said numerous times on numerous threads, Harlow was practically boasting about everything, and from what I read, he was doing the same thing on the beach a few weeks ago.
ReplyDeleteSo what would he have been apologizing for? Killing a man Sean and his boyfriend Grant hated more than anyone in the world? Getting rid of the man who apparently stood in Sean's way of making it as a huge star in the porn industry?
Incredible.
As I recall the quote of Harlow was along the lines of "I should have known where all the fingers would point.."
ReplyDeleteHe appears to be apologising for placing Sean under suspicion.
Patric, if your don't want to call it an apology, fine. Sounds like one to me though.
ReplyDeletePerhaps "hindsight regret" would be more precise. Although, I taken in context, I think he IS apologizing to Brent for all the misguided suspicion his murder brought down on Brent and Grant.
Here it is again: "... I should have thought where all those fingers would have pointed..."
Note the "I". Note that it's not a "We."
Now, what does the use of "I" vs the non-use of "We" tell you?
"We" is the word conspirators would use. "I" is not.
This was posted on Jason Curious:
ReplyDeleteQUESTION: How did Harlow, Joe and whomever know their way around Kocis' house? How did the killers know where Cobra's masters and legal paperwork was located?
That is an EXCELLENT question. Here are a few possible answers:
1 - They didn't, so they trashed the house until they found what they were looking for.
2 - They were told by someone who knew their way around Bryan's house where to find the masters and model releases.
I think scenario #2 is more plausible that 1.
Elm,
ReplyDeleteI haven't told my own Brent Corrigan and Grant Roy story. Imay never reveal what they did to me but after my experience with them I learned that Brent and Grant could not be trusted. They are serious liars. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt but they used me and never gave me what was promised. I'm just in awe of how our society lets those deemed beautiful get away with anything. Can we say Paris Hilton? I really wish Brent the best as I would any other person but he has got to start owing up to his flaws and faults. He is not above the law nor beyond reproach. I may tell my story and share my experiences dealing with them on my blog Chronicles of Pornia.
Amazing Jim, you will fight for Sean and Grant with your final breath. I wish I could admire that but I just find it weird.
ReplyDeleteWe need to be very careful when making inferences from the limited amount of information and especially dialogue that has been made public.
ReplyDeleteWhat has been released has been selected to place H & J in the worst possible light. Casting suspicion on other parties only weakens that objective.
Equally, I have not read anywhere " We do not expect to make any other arrests in this case"
"patric said...
ReplyDeleteAmazing Jim, you will fight for Sean and Grant with your final breath. I wish I could admire that but I just find it weird. "
Why does citing the evidence we have seem weird to you?
They bugged informants who recorded conversations with suspects. One allegedly recorded Cuadra saying he was there when Kocis was killed.
ReplyDeletemmmmm and who might that informant be ...
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ReplyDeleteHey Marc
ReplyDeleteCheck out the "Players Handbook" on my blog. Should bring back some fond memories of Mr. Corrigan.
-Nick
"I've been quietly fascinated by the story of Brent Corrigan and I've even corresponded a few times with him via e-mail." source: http://chroniclesofpornia.blogspot.com/2007/04/will-real-brent-corrigan-please-step.html
ReplyDeleteMind that your "story" is consistent with your earlier statements, marc.
I noticed that the police mentioned during one of the videos that they used electronic intercepting which I take to mean listening into wireless conversations.
ReplyDeleteNow they would certainly be more interesting to read if neither party to the call knew they were being listened into.
My over-riding thought at the end of day 3 of the arrests is what a complete waste.
For people to loose all sense of perspective and commit such a crime really is tragic. Not just for Bryan and his family but also Harlow & Joe. I also doubt whether Sean or Grant's lives will ever be the same again.
John Donne said "no man is an island entire until himself" meaning the way that the passing of one life affects us all in one way or another. So "don't ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
Goodnight from the UK - it must be time for Rob to be back from Oz.
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ReplyDeletehope the day brings new ...facts
jim, come on dude, do you really think the toxictwink and his cobrakiller are innocent in all of this?
ReplyDeletewhere are all the toxic twink and cobrakiller cohorts?
ReplyDeleteShould someone let this newstation know about Damon Kruezer ? Apparently this news reporter thinks Kruezer is a viable source of info
ReplyDeletehttp://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_051607_pennsylvania_murder.763755f8.html
Gloating, BB. Gloating.
ReplyDeleteSorry the link is cut short but go to www.wvec.com and you should find the story -- in it the reporter mentions Kruezer as well known and mentions Kruezer as saying he convinced Harlow not to run.....
ReplyDeletePersonally one look at Kruezers website would convince me not to use him as a source
If they were as good as you say Jody they would not be gloating. A man is dead. Families destroyed forever. More fodder to be used as evidence against gay civil rights has been created.... no they would not be gloating. Maybe relieved but a good man would not be gloating now
ReplyDeletePolice seem to think so.
ReplyDeleteThey obviously weren't arrested on Arrest Day; in fact the police enlisted them as informants. And deputized in a sting operation. A sting operation which they performed brilliantly in.
You know, I'm still waiting for a Bryan supporter to give credit where credit is due here to Brent and Grant, for this invaluable service against the murderers of Bryan.
The fact that no Cobra supporter has done so yet strikes me as rather churlish of you all.
Yes Jody, you all have so much to gloat about too... Bryan's dead, Sean and Grant are "in the clear" (according to those who support them, even calling them heroes - oops, sorry... just threw up in my mouth)...
ReplyDeleteYes, go ahead and gloat. Congratulations on supporting an over-the-hill one-time semi-successful bareback twink porn actor who has failed at everything he's done since screwing Bryan over almost two years ago. Sean couldn't even make it work with Falcon, of all companies.
Oh yeah, there is TONS to gloat about.
jim said...
ReplyDeleteAnd deputized in a sting operation.
Where did you read this?
"Where did you read this?"
ReplyDeleteSee link 14 on Julien's page. This is day old news.
Unless I'm missing something, the story says the police "bugged informants", not deputized anyone.
ReplyDeleteThe story also quotes Damon Kruezer. That should tell you a lot right there.
Jody said...
ReplyDeleteGloating, BB. Gloating.
May 17, 2007 4:21 PM
roflmfao, jumped the ship more like :)
even your dumb ass had me pegged as being the killer :)
murder is nothing to gloat over... sick and twisted is that, but then so are you cohorts.
All this because they wanted to work with Brent Corrigan? Couldn't they have changed his name like Falcon did and gone down that road? Why resort to such a heinous crime to work for a guy with such a bad reputation?
ReplyDeleteI never realized Brent Corrigan was such a big and important player in the porn industry.
That should say... "work with a guy..."
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteUnless I'm missing something, the story says the police "bugged informants", not deputized anyone.
The story also quotes Damon Kruezer. That should tell you a lot right there.
May 17, 2007 4:51 PM
LOL, good one, and true too.
This may be a dumb question, but if Sean and Grant were setting up Harlow and Joe, why would Grant asked them if Bryan suffered? Were they trying to get them to say "No, because we cut his throat and he died instantly"?
ReplyDeleteMy point is, was this scripted or was Grant really interested in hearing if the man he hated most in the world suffered when he was brutally murdered by these two psychopaths?
I never realized Brent Corrigan was such a big and important player in the porn industry.
ReplyDeleteMay 17, 2007 4:55 PM
he is not, no studio will work with him. he made himself famous for trying to bring down bryan and cobra, he failed... till bryans murder happened.
"Unless I'm missing something, the story says the police "bugged informants", not deputized anyone."
ReplyDeleteGet a dictionary and look up "deputized."
May 17, 2007 4:58 PM
ReplyDeletehe wanted the details - jody calls it "gloating".
murder is nothing to gloat over...
ReplyDeleteYou are right, murder isn't something to gloat over -- unless you are a couple of call-boys who think it's your ticket to the Big Time -- and who then get caught and exposed as perhaps the two worst criminal minds of the Ages through the efforts of parties wrongly accused and convicted by a gaggle of anonymous gossips.
That's well worth gloating over. I'd do that any day of the week. In fact, I feel another one coming on now.
Kocis death though was, and remains, a tragedy in all this. It's also a crime, one which the murderers are going to do time for. And I'm going to gloat over that punishment too.
even your dumb ass had me pegged as being the killer :)
Nope. Never said that. I will say though that you and Damon K. share a duplex in Crazy Land....
Deputize:
ReplyDelete–verb (used with object) 1. to appoint as deputy.
–verb (used without object) 2. to act as a deputy; substitute.
dep·u·tized, dep·u·tiz·ing, dep·u·tiz·es
To appoint or serve as a deputy.
Wondering where "bugged informants" and "deputized" mean the same thing. Jim, maybe in your world it does. In reality, it don't.
jody says:
ReplyDelete"You are right, murder isn't something to gloat over -- unless you are a couple of call-boys who think it's your ticket to the Big Time -- "
actually it is 3 call-boys + 1 perverted demented pimp.
jim said...
ReplyDeleteYou know, I'm still waiting for a Bryan supporter to give credit where credit is due here to Brent and Grant, for this invaluable service against the murderers of Bryan.
The fact that no Cobra supporter has done so yet strikes me as rather churlish of you all.
There is a simple explanation for that Jim - it's because I don't believe Sean and Grant did anything to help anyone out because they wanted to. I believe they did it because they had no choice.
I've been following this story from the very beginning - Bryan kept very quiet on the boards while Sean started to ramble on and on about bigger and better things, about how we'd all be able to watch him in non-Cobra videos. Then caseycain shows up and begins to spout this utter hatred and vitriol against Bryan.
The strategy was destroy Bryan's reputation by bringing up and posting his past - they posted and linked all the 2001 stories they could get their hands on, just to destroy the man's reputation.
And for what? So Sean could work as Brent Corrigan away from Cobra. But even Sean knew that wasn't going to happen - “Bryan will not allow me to use my name. It’s all copyrighted to Cobra, so if I want to work outside of Cobra, I’ll be shedding the Brent Corrigan persona.” [Sean Lockhart, Saturday September 3, 2005, JuicyGoo.com]
So despite his rants and raves and blogs to the contrary, even Sean knew it was a losing battle. But that didn't stop Grant from continuing to attack Bryan every chance he got, blogging as the CobraKiller, telling people in Texas they kill Cobras... get the picture?
So no Jim, I won't give credit where credit is due, at least not yet. Grant Roy is a hate-filled man, who wanted Bryan dead. Whether or not he was involved is still up for debate.
Hell, Grant even went so far as to ask Harlow if Bryan suffered, for fuck's sake. Want to bet that Grant was hoping the answer was "HELL YEAH!".
So I could care less if Grant himself solved the murder - he wasn't doing this out of the goodness of his heart. He wasn't helping the police because it was the right thing to do. He wasn't trying to snare Harlow and Joe because it was his civic duty.
The man Grant hated most is dead. Grant hated Bryan from the moment he became involved with Sean, and that hatred grew more strong over close to two years. It probably boiled over when Sean decided to accept a settlement agreement with Bryan. Your boyfriend/meal ticket is going to go back to work for a man that "forced" him into the gay porn industry as a 17 year old. Grant didn't pop the champagne bottle when this happened.
I will never forget what Grant said and posted and blogged about all these many months. To give him just because he helped the police?
Forget about it.
This is from Julien's latest link - notice how Sean is refered to as an escort...
ReplyDeletePennsylvania State Police say the pair stabbed Kocis, a Back Mountain gay porn producer 28 times, then slashed his throat and set fire to his home as a cover-up in January. Troopers tell us Kocis was Cuadra and Kerekes' main competition in the gay porn industry, and they both wanted exclusive rights to actor and escort Sean Lockhart.
Since some mainstream media is posting stuff from Damon Kruezer I would now say anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteSince some mainstream media is posting stuff from Damon Kruezer I would now say anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt
Good point!
Now go look up "deputy."
ReplyDeleteIt should be just a few words away from "deputize" in that dictionary of yours...
There used to be a website called tommysocks.com that documented the many falsifications and stalking behaviours of Kruezer... too bad its no longer around would love to forward it to the media that even give Kruezer the time to talk
ReplyDeleteOuch Jim. Nice condescension. Oh, another word for condescension is disdain. Another is arrogance.
ReplyDeletePatric,
ReplyDeleteThe settlement agreement was already in effect before the murder took place.
Brent was not "... going to go back to work for a man that "forced" him into the gay porn." LSG and Cobra agreed to series of co-produced videos, with each side taking a cut of the profits.
Lastly, the terms of the the settlement agreement was binding on all sides, including heirs and successors. Brent, Grant and LSG didn't get out of the deal with the death of Bryan.
Do Harlow and Mark/joe/whatever? have a criminal record - drugs have been mention in previous posts.
ReplyDeleteSo does anyone know this?
Jody, potato, potatoe - going back to work, co-produce... my point is that Brent Corrigan was going to return to Cobra Video, whether officially or not. Sean and Bryan were going to work together again.
ReplyDeleteDon't start telling me that Grant was happy about this. And if what people say is true, it was Lee Bergeron who first got the ball rolling in all this, and not Grant or Sean.
But thanks for missing my main point.
Now this is interesting...
ReplyDeletewww.myspace.com/2wronglyaccused
Also, someone has logged into Harlow's Myspace page today and someone took down the boisrus.com site, saying the site is undergoing maintenance and will be back soon. As it wasn't Harlow or Joe, presumably, then I wonder who it was. Attorney Taylor or someone else?
mj, this is hilarious!! Now Harlow has a legal defense fund set-up. Wonder how much his jockstrap will go for...
ReplyDelete;-)
Jody what planet are you from? Grant wanted Bryan dead, he harped on about it for two fucking years. After all that, Sean was back with Cobra and Bryan one way or another. Was Grant gloating over the settlement? hardly.
ReplyDeleteMJ said...
ReplyDeleteNow this is interesting...
www.myspace.com/2wronglyaccused
Nice of BCO to put their expertize to use :)
myspace it truely is for all -funny
ReplyDeleteThat's odd. "Mark" from Boybatter kept posting about how independantly wealthy Harlow was.
ReplyDeleteAnd well well well... here they are, banging the tin cup on a MySpace page!
Hmmm, it looks like Joe and Harlow are NOT as rich as SOME people here were led to believe.
I guess the money motive put forward by the police just became far less unbelievable, now didn't it?
You motive worriers can now rest easier tonight.
Patric, Grant may not have liked having to work with Cobra and Kocis again but under the terms of the settlement agreement, he had to whether Bryan was alive or dead.
ReplyDeleteYou missed my point.
Now, if you want to spin an elaborate fable where Grant, who you cast as a master tactician, in order to prevent his lover from working with their arch-rival again, a rival he's on record, all over the internet, as expressing utter disgust for, con the Twedleedee and Twedleedumb of both the Porn and Criminal Worlds, into committing murder, through the use of oblique references, lamb-forked gesticulations and, let's be frank, mental telepathy, all the while keeping his arch-nemesis off ignorant of the encroaching doom by not just agreeing to the settlement which, remember, sends his lover into the Cobra Kings arms but by actually signing the binding terms that endure even on the death of either party, himself and all the while hoping that no one from bloggers to law enforcement would realize he's Prime Suspect Number One, then knock yourself out.
The Harry Potter series is ending this year and we all need a good fantasy yarn to replace it.
Immediately after the murder of Bryan Kocis was reported, Attorney Yates, who had represented Sean Lockhart and Grant Roy in the civil case files by Cobra Video, stated that his clients were aware of the identity of the model scheduled to meet Kocis on the night of his murder but would not talk to authorities until they had retained a criminal lawyer.
ReplyDeleteConsider what must have been behind this statement. Sean and Grant, upon hearing of the murder, approached Yates with their knowledge of the identity of the model (presumably Harlow) and of their previous experience with him, including the dinner in Vegas. Yates advised them that because of their previous experience they might be considered co-conspirators and therefore needed the advice of a criminal lawer.
Consider next what it signifies that Sean and Grant decided to go to the authorities with their story rather than simply remaining silent. If they were in fact co-conspirators, it seems to me that they would just have remained silent.
The fact that they proceeded as they did signifies to me that they were shocked at the murder of Kocis (as much as Grant might have once wished it), knew the identity of the murderer(s), and voluntarily decided to help to authorities bring the murderer(s) to justice.
The first reference in Elm's timeline to S/G's lawyer stating anything of the sort was a full week after the murder, not immediately.
ReplyDeleteHowever, they might well have done it immediately. It could have taken a while for that information to reach a reporter.
Is there some other reason to believe it was immediate, and not a week later, possibly after it became clear that police were hot on the trail of 'Drake'?
Jody: ...through the use of oblique references, lamb-forked gesticulations and, let's be frank, mental telepathy...
ReplyDeleteSays who? How do you know the possibility of murder, and the benefits to be gained, weren't discussed at length and in detail?
That's quite funny Jody. You should ghost write for porn stars.
ReplyDeleteOh, wait...
Says who? How do you know the possibility of murder, and the benefits to be gained, weren't discussed at length and in detail?
ReplyDeleteJ-Bee, there were no benefits. The settlement was binding in both life and death.
More questions and confusion... Jody states that the settlement agreement would be in effect regardless of who was alive or not.
ReplyDeleteBut during their now-infamous Vegas dinner, it has been reported that the foursome verbally agreed to work together if Bryan wasn't in the picture.
That contradicts the settlement agreement.
Then Sean goes and posts that Harlow and Drake fucked everything up and are now on the run (a post which Jody removed a day later).
What exactly would Harlow and Drake have fucked up? Again, as stated by Jody, the settlement was in effect regardless of whether Bryan was alive or not. Getting rid of Bryan had no effect on Sean's ability or inability to work with Harlow.
What exactly was Sean referring to? And why did Grant want to know if Bryan suffered?
So getting rid of Bryan, in whatever manner, would not have stopped the Cobra/LSG settlement agreement from moving ahead. It would not stop Cobra from releasing Sean's post-Cobra footage, would not stop Sean from performing as Brent Corrigan in co-produced films with Cobra Video and would not have stopped Sean from owning the BC name after three years.
So tell me again what Harlow and Joe fucked up?
Jody, I'm not referring to the settlement. I'm talking about whatever benefits Harlow/Joe thought they would get from having Bryan eliminated. Clearly they thought there would be some. The warrant includes an informant's statement that they believed there would be a business deal if Bryan was gone.
ReplyDeleteAgain, though, my point is that this account of what was said and how at the dinner is far from established.
What exactly would Harlow and Drake have fucked up? ... What exactly was Sean referring to?
ReplyDeleteI find this curious too.
The warrant includes an informant's statement that they believed there would be a business deal if Bryan was gone.
ReplyDeleteWhich establishes motive for Tweedledee and Tweedledumb. But not Brent or Grant.
What exactly was Sean referring to?
...Brent settling with Bryan... Getting a salary for his daily work... Getting to do what he loved.
And then a couple of nimrods upend it all.
jody, you are twisted.
ReplyDeleteharlow and joe destroyed all the cobra masters that probably had lots of unseen sean footage. sean did everything he could to stop bryan releasing any footage he had. bryan showed us all how much of a barebacking whore sean really is with the last two releases - releases that really pissed off sean and his cobrakiller.
sean and his cobrakiller clearly had things to gain from bryans death outside of said contract - a contract nobody is going to enforce as far as we know.
jody there is PLENTY of motive. nothing you say will change the facts or the outcome of this crime that you and your cohorts are "gloating" over.
Do we know that Cobra material was destroyed at Bryan's house? I recall reference to that, but don't recall seeing it in news reports.
ReplyDeletejody there is PLENTY of motive.
ReplyDeleteBB, at this point, I've lost track of the number of motives you've offered for Brent and Grant to be behind the crime.
I haven't lost track of the number of motives you've offered for Brent and Grant to be behind the crime that have actually turned out to be correct and not the product of your imagination.
Zero.
I haven't followed this closely from the very beginning and I'm not in anyone's 'camp' - the idea of any of these clowns having 'camps' is actually ridiculous - but...
ReplyDelete... to argue that Grant and/or Sean had no motive whatever to wish Bryan harm does not seem credible.
Now, it's a long long way from there to asserting that the motive was sufficient enough to act on it, or that anyone did or might or whatever. But to say 'no motive' is simply a non-starter.
jody the only motive i have put forth is the pure hatred the cobrakiller had for bryan. i now put forward the destruction of the cobra master tapes since that came to light.
ReplyDeletenowhere have i stated any other motives. nice try though. with each passing day the so called deranged BB is proven right with each new development. i have always been consistent. it is in all my posts.
the only thing i did not figure out is harlow and joe were the ones taking care of the cobrakillers deed.
like the rest of seans cohorts, all your theory's to date have been proven wrong.
...the destruction of the cobra master tapes...
ReplyDeleteI need to ask again: Was this established as fact?
The destroyed masters CD is a rumor posted by Jason on his site.
ReplyDeleteThats all it is at the point, a Jason Curious rumor.
I'm not saying it won't proove true, but I will point out it is, at this stage, merely a rumor.
Gawd knows who told it to Jason. He says someone told him the affivit says this. We'll see.
Anyhow, people who are spending time crafting elaborate nutty conspiracy theories based on destroyed masters might be wise to wait and see a bit first.
But then, who am I kidding? The "Grant Saying He Wants To Hire A Hitman" rumor gets repeated here so often, continually cited as prooven fact; when in fact it was an VERY shaky rumor posted by Jason, by a source Jason himself labeled a gossipy shit stirrer.
So, yeah go ahead and use this rumor now as prooven fact, or not, depending on your Brent hating/loving status!
Thanks Jim. That's all I was asking. We'll have to wait and see.
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ReplyDelete1) I reported the myspace page, because frankly, it looks fake and looks like a phishing site
ReplyDeleteThe Arrest Affidavit does say this (what jason has quoted)
ReplyDeletethere is information in there that probably shouldn't' be released, because the police are probably NOT done making arrests yet (eg)
jim said...
ReplyDeleteThat's odd. "Mark" from Boybatter kept posting about how independantly wealthy Harlow was.
And well well well... here they are, banging the tin cup on a MySpace page!
Hmmm, it looks like Joe and Harlow are NOT as rich as SOME people here were led to believe.
I guess the money motive put forward by the police just became far less unbelievable, now didn't it?
You motive worriers can now rest easier tonight.
May 17, 2007 7:41 PM
Jim did you know that the federal Govt. seized all their assets. Maybe that’s why Jim. If you would stop spouting off about your friends the deputy murderers and read something you would know this.
and still we have not seen any of the Arrest Affidavit
ReplyDeleteJody said...
ReplyDeletePatric,
The settlement agreement was already in effect before the murder took place.
Brent was not "... going to go back to work for a man that "forced" him into the gay porn." LSG and Cobra agreed to series of co-produced videos, with each side taking a cut of the profits.
Lastly, the terms of the the settlement agreement was binding on all sides, including heirs and successors. Brent, Grant and LSG didn't get out of the deal with the death of Bryan.
May 17, 2007 6:46 PM
The settlement agreement was used to take suspicion off of Sean and Grant for there involvement in the murder for hire of Bryan Kocis. It’s so typical of them to break another contract. I hope Harlow and Joe had a backup plan to implicate these assholes. Guess we will have to wait until June to see Sean and grant go to Jail. Oh yeah don’t leave town you two. There watching the borders for you. As for Cobra video having a binding settlement, go look at Jason’s http://www.jasoncurious.com/desk/2007/05/with-more-holes-than-cobra-video.html
and see what Cobra Video has left. Cobra has been destroyed which I might add is just what Sean and Grant wanted all along. I must say it does not bode well for the toxic twink. Guess its orange jump suits for all involved. What the fuck is up with these porn stars? You all seriously must realize that “tina” is vicious.
Cobra video is no more! Are you happy now?
They had debt payments alone of $28,000.00 a month!
ReplyDeleteJody said...
ReplyDeleteThe warrant includes an informant's statement that they believed there would be a business deal if Bryan was gone.
Which establishes motive for Tweedledee and Tweedledumb. But not Brent or Grant.
What exactly was Sean referring to?
...Brent settling with Bryan... Getting a salary for his daily work... Getting to do what he loved.
And then a couple of nimrods upend it all.
May 17, 2007 8:57 PM
"Just days before the murder, Cuadra and Kerekes met with Kocis’ top star, Sean Lockhart, to speak business and inferred they could have Kocis killed when told Lockhart was under contact — though in a bitter dispute — with Kocis. The two asked: “What if Bryan left the country?” Believing the question involved a possibly murder plot, Lockhart and a business partner, Grant Roy, declined and switched the subject. A confidential informant later told police a “verbal agreement” was made at the meeting for 19-year-old Lockhart to begin working with Cuadra and Kerekes if Kocis was not in the picture.
This could explain why they committed the murder. They had a verbal agreement with Sean and Grant to take out Bryan and destroy Cobra Video.A plot which has been publicly talked about for 2 years. Destroy the masters discs and the 2257 files kill Bryan no more Cobra.no more cobra the settlement is worthless,pity that. And I really am at a loss as to who told them where they were allthe stuff was kept? Sean do you have any Ideas how Joe found all the stuff?
Where do you know that from, anon 1:03?
ReplyDeleteLooks like Sean broke another contrat, lol is this a pattern for the toxic twink? the boy couldn't keep his word if his life depended on it.
ReplyDeleteit's not a rumor the tapes and the 2257 files were destroyed. got that info from a freind with inside info. who saw the affidavidt. quite shocking I might add. does not look good for someone in Cali? Can you say conspiracy?
ReplyDeleteAnother VERY interesting Harlow quote, from the nude beach:
ReplyDelete"Eventually, according to the affidavit, police managed to record conversations, including one at a nude beach in San Diego in which Cuadra admitted he was present when Kocis was killed. " Actually it's sick, but it made me feel better inside," Cuadra said about seeing the killing, according to the affidavit."
This is from http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=124868&ran=2853
It made Harlow, personally feel better inside. Hmmm. Very odd, for someone with NO prior dealings with Bryan at all, a total stranger. Unless...
It's as if he's doing this because he thinks it pleases Brent..and hence he gets off on it himself.
The Obsessed Fan theory for Harlow's motive is looking stronger and stronger each day.
Right now, I'd say Harlow's motive is a mixture of the money/porn turf war put forward by the police...PLUS this Hinckly-ish fan obsession for Jody Fost...ooops, I mean Brent, that keeps cropping up in these recordings.
VERY interesting!
Ok people lets stay on track here here is quite a bit of speculation going on here and its just like when this all started. Lets just wait and see what the affidavits say and don’t speculate about what is or is not in them. There are peoples lives at stake here and we don’t need to ruin any chance for a fair trial. So just keep things civil and we will all be fine.
ReplyDeleteWell, here's another interesting tidbit...Harlow's laywer is calling it quits, leaving him to the public defender. Same with Joe's attorney.
ReplyDeleteBoth leaving NOT due to a conflict of interest (as we reported earlier), but because (now, everyone needs to rub their index finger and thumb together, and play "the world's smallest violin" when they read this) due to all their assets being frozen, they have no money to pay their attorneys.
It seems those state charges Virginia brought against them for prostitution and rackeering are NOT being dismissed as was reported in an earlier news story. It's the racketeering charges that allow the state of Virginia to sieze their assets.
This story on the VA state asset seizure just broke this morning: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18357730&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=455154&rfi=6
Now, I'd happily donate to the Harlow Legal Defense Fund...but unfortunately, I worry that the money may be spent on food, utilities and/or rent instead. Thus, because the possibility of such horrific misuse of funds, I am afraid I MUST decline to donate!
jim: ouch! they be totally screwed now eh.
ReplyDeleteelm: speculation and accusations is what kept these blogs going. anything we said in the past did not change the outcome, in fact it may have been helpful. anything we say in the future will not affect the outcome, it could actually be helpful.
lets face it, many thought coz of bryans past and nature of his business that nobody would care about catching the killers. how wrong they all were.
none of this weeks developments let sean and his cobrakiller off the hook. it only adds to their involvement.
we have been reading on these blogs how others have been attempting to put the blame elsewhere. like everything else they attempted to do, that also failed. now they are being very quiet having realized just how much they were used to spread lies and false information.
their lawyers jumping ship is a good thing coz of money issues. it is good because they will cut a deal at the end of the day to avoid the death penalty. the deal will bring forward those who started this. question is, are they ready to TILABB :)
ReplyDeleteMay 18, 2007 3:00 AM
ReplyDeleteJim I really don’t think that post was funny or called for. These two people may have lost their only chance to a fair trial.
yes ... at the very least they deserve a fair trial...
ReplyDeleteits a shame that really the attorneys were only in it for the cash ... i guess thats the way of the world - so they have no faith in their clients ? always amazes me when people walk away for the almighty dollar...
i donno how its going to pan out ... looking like people are fast dropping their associations with the HC camp ... except for DK ...
Let me get this straight -- this lawyer has a client who has provided him with steady buisness over the years. The lawyer publicly states the clients innocence. And then drops said client the second the clients assets are frozen ? (assets that would be unfrozen if found not guilty as the lawyer claims).
ReplyDeleteKruezer.... most likely is now wandering around Luzerne County trying to convince naive reporters of his close involvement in soliving the invesigators.
ReplyDeleteRob the fact that Jim is on a spin mission is apparent. Money in fact is not the case the state of Pennsylvania will not let Barry Taylor try this case.Pennsylvania aparently has a fear that they may loose the case.
ReplyDeleteCad wrote over at Harlow blog
ReplyDeleteCad Says:
April 19th, 2007 at 12:40 ....
One common similiarity I have noticed between Boybatter posts and those of Sean is a certain obsession. Sean never fails to mention his age in his blog entries and Boybatter never fails to mention money. I am not a psychiatrist but I wonder if both obsessions have a common root.
My only real issue with you is the insensitivity with which you have promoted yourself in the context of Bryan’s murder.
mr Cad ... these are the motives ... that the police believe appears you were a step ahead mr
The motive is a pile of crap. I can believe that they might have killed Bryan. It is the motive that I can not believe. Kill someone to work with Brent Corrigan, that is laughable. he has only made a few videos and none of them were really that great. Brent is pure poison.grant is a idiot if he expects the world to believe that pile of crap.
ReplyDeletemmm its so messy the whole thing - i look at BC on the beach and wonder what he is thinking what he knows .. and it makes me shudder
ReplyDeletehope u are ok mr elms
Hey Rob just checking the posts and I see you are here again. your slipping you did not get the pole position.
ReplyDeleteya i know - i am to busy readin all the info ... freakin me out still
ReplyDeleteI am still in shock by the whole thing but I will get over it I hope just feel bad for j/h and hope things go a little better for them.
ReplyDeletecheck out flyonthewall pretty compelling stuff.
ReplyDeleteyeah i guess ... its hard to feel - aint it - who knows - still hanging for news - still so much to know
ReplyDeletehave a good day matey
you too rob
ReplyDeleteyes hope there are some developments over night ....
ReplyDeletecya bud take care
"On Wednesday, Kerekes' father, Fred Kerekes of Virginia Beach, said his son is innocent.
ReplyDelete"I think police are drawing a lot of inferences from circumstantial evidence," he said. "They deny they did it. They say they were framed."
let the blame game begin!!! will they say sean and his cobrakiller gave them Bryan's camera? hmmmm.
elm please explain what you mean when you say you "feel bad for j/h and hope things go a little better for them."
ReplyDeletethey almost cut off a mans head, after he was dead they mutilated the body... and you feel bad for them? OMFG (oh my fucking god).
if you do not think they did it, who do you think did? do you think sean and his corbakiller are involved?
am stunned you feel bad for harlow and joe.
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ReplyDeleteQ: What exactly was Sean referring to?
ReplyDeleteA from Jody:...Brent settling with Bryan... Getting a salary for his daily work... Getting to do what he loved.
And then a couple of nimrods upend it all.
Explain to us please how this is possible if the settlement is binding regardless of whether Bryan is alive or not.
elm where did you get this info from?
ReplyDelete"Pennsylvania aparently has a fear that they may loose the case."
i have heard no such thing. in fact it appears to be the opposite, lots of evidence that is directly linked to harlow and joe. the suv rental, the motel rental, the knife purchase, the emails and so on. i expect they also have them on some gas station footage filling up the truck rental near bryan's house or at least the hotel. you can be sure we do not know all the evidence just yet, when that is known it will be even more damning for all involved.
seems very slam dunk to me that they are the hitmen.
As I understand things, The State of Virginia seized Harlow & Joe's Assets pursuant to Virginia's RICO statute (racketeering influenced and corrupt organization).
ReplyDeleteIf boybatter.com is an LLC, I don't think VA had ny right to seize boybatter.com. If all of Harlow's and Joe's businesses are corporations, I think the state could seize all of those businesses IF the state has legitimate reason to believe that the businesses were either RICO businesses or purchases with funds from a RICO business.
It seems to be that VA made a mistake because they didn't make and determination on what moneys was used to buy what assets. If harlow's and joe's house was purchased before their escort business, then VA had no right to seize that or any other assets not bought with funds from a RICO business. AND, if VA acted improperly ins seizing assets they would have effectively DENIED Harlow and Joe the legal counsel of their choice.
When John Gotti was on his many trials in NYC, I don't recall the FEDs ever seizing ALL of John Gotti's assets.
Barry Taylor is a VA lawyer for Harlow and Joe had a PA lawyer. From what I understand, Barry Taylor has resigned as lawyer for Harlow in VA. It is not clear if Joe's PA lawyer has resigned.
Technically, Joe's PA lawyer could not have represented Joe in VA unless( a ) a licensed VA lawyer as his co-counsel; or ( b ) the court gave the PA lawyer approval to act as Joe's lawyer in VA.
Barry Taylor is a smart guy and, he seems to be a guy who has an interest in riding this case to fame and fortune. I don't see Barry Taylor sitting back and watching some other lawyer become a media star with a book deal and a reality show contract. This case is going to attract national and international attention and Baryy Taylor is just going to let that opportunity pass him buy?
THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
Barry Taylor can still decide to appear in PA as co-counsel for Harlow and Joe with A PA lawyer (if Taylor is not already license with the bar in PA). This is probably WHY Joe has a PA lawyer in the first place.
The withdrawal of legal counsel pursuant to the charges in VA could very well be a calculated legal strategy to argue that Virginia denied Harlow and Joe proper legal counsel by delerately waiting until an arrest was made to seize Harlow's and Joe's assets.
REMEMBER, this case is currently in Virgina. The legal counsel in Virginia has stepped down because they are arguing that an act by the State has denied Harlow and Joe "the counsel of their choice".
It seems to me that this move by Barry Taylor almost guarantees that Harlow and Joe will have a legitimate right to appeal their being extradited to PA if they are extradited to PA because they were denied the counsel of their choice.
IF and WHEN Harlow and Joe are extradited to PA, Barry Taylor can be co-counsel for Harlow and Joe in PA with Joe's original PA lawyer.
There are two things Harlow and Joe have going for them
1. Barry Taylor is NOT going to pass up the chance to be a Star Lawyer ( I can't believe that Taylor would allow this case to make some other lawyer famous); and
2. All of the scandal surrounding Bryan Kocis and Brent Corrigan and Bryan Kocis NOT being a registered sex offender.