The Voice of Reason
I have tried to be impartial on my blog and not favor one side or the other but to tell you the truth I am on one side and that is the side of the truth. That has been my position from the very start of all this. I have not favored any one group and I don’t intend to start. I have posted questions and theories based on the limited facts in this case and who might be a suspect. But I have not taken sides. I have been accused of hating Bryan Kocis but that is not true I never said I liked him and I stand by my position on that to this day. He was not a nice man and he abused his power and he corrupted young men and boys. But I did not hate him. I read Julien’s post to day and I have the same feeling for Bryan Kocis as he does. The man was a troll and he lurked on the Internet Looking for young men and I find that sad. Do I think he deserved to die for it? Not at all quite to the contrary the fact that he was killed the way he was shows that someone was really in a rage and has some serious mental issues to deal with. Do I think that Bryan could make someone hate him enough to do this? The answer is yes. I have watched this civil case unfold for the last year and a half I have done allot of research on this case as well and spent many late nights in front of this computer typing up post for this blog and answering questions for posters. And reading all the civil suit documents and trying to get as much information as possible for my posts. But the minute that I do anything remotely nice for someone people start to say that I am biased. Why do you say that I’m Biased I ask? Is it because I believe Brent is 20 like he says he is? What is the big issue if I believe him? I checked it out and the fact is that the id is valid. And I also got other proof that I can not share here because it would get a friend in trouble.
You all have your free will just as I do, to believe what you want to believe. I am not saying that I’m an authority on Brent Corrigan I am just like the rest of you I received most of my information on him from his blog. And you need to realize this it is his blog and he is not required to tell you are show you anything he does not want to show you. Just like Harlow’s blog is his and Julien’s blog is his and Jason’s blog is his. This blog is mine and I do have the right to have my own opinions. Whether you agree with me or not that is totally acceptable. I do not moderate comments and I just ask that you refrain from using mean nasty comments against other posters or me for that matter.
Now as far as Harlow is concerned I don’t think he had anything to do with Bryan’s murder. Harlow would not work for another studio and he turned down Falcon. Bryan Kocis would not know what to do with Harlow. He has his own studio, web-site and business that pretty much would be enough to keep him busy. Plus he said he did not even know Bryan. I really see no reason for him to want Bryan dead. As far as working with Brent Corrigan that was a non-issue the agreement between LSG Media and Cobra was not exclusive so they could work together. As far as Brent’s side of how they met it is basically Harlow’s word against Brent’s. Someone fairly close to Bryan has to be involved in his murder because they set up this circumstantial case against Harlow.
As far as LSG Media goes what purpose would they have to kill Bryan. They initiated the settlement not Bryan. Bryan was content to take them to court and ruin them. All this mess was over a name and a birth certificate. A birth certificate that Bryan rejected when it was presented to him because it did not say what he wanted it to say. Bryan would not be happy with the out come of the trail even if he won because he would have gotten the same thing from Brent that he got from the settlement. A birth certificate that said he was 20 years old. He still could not re-release the first movies Brent did with those scenes in them. The movies would have to be edited. He was never 2257 compliant when it came to Brent Corrigan. Bryan would have been in serious trouble if Brent did not go along with the settlement. Brent been a true nasty little shit and dropped the name Brent Corrigan produced a birth certificate to the FED's and went on about his business but he didn’t or did he? Maybe he did not hate Bryan after all?And maybe this was all played out to take the heat off Bryan for the kiddy porn he had produced. Bryan went to allot of trouble to get a boy who did not want him. Why is that? We may never know.
Someone made a comment on Julien’s blog today about Bryan buying Brent a car and he insured the car for Brent. Now just so you know I was an Auto Insurance Underwriter. To get an auto insurance policy you have to provide a few things. 1: a valid drivers license 2: a copy of the vehicle registration. 3: address where the vehicle is garaged 4: the underwriter checks the DMV records to make sure all the information is correct. If it is not then we don’t issue the policy. So Bryan was not to bright after all, he purchased Brent Corrigan a car which I believe Brent still has and he got it insured for Brent and he put that bit of information in the court documents. How would he do that with fake ID? He couldn’t the policy would be rejected and the car not insured. Do you see where I am going with this? Bryan knew Brent was under age in 2005 when he purchased Brent the car for him, case closed.
Now we move to the unnamed associate. Who if you ask me should be suspect # 1 in this murder. They received the picture of Harlow and they confirmed the meeting and the said that Bryan sent the picture. Well what I find interesting is that Bryan was in contact with 3 people the day he was murdered and did not mention the fact he was meeting a model to any of them. We also get a new person who spoke to Bryan by way of J-bee who said that Bryan spoke to a business associate about an upcoming contract that was up for re-negotiation. So that would give us four (4) people who spoke to Bryan on the 24th of January. Not one of these 4 people knew about the scheduled meeting with a model the evening Bryan was killed. There is only one person who claims that Bryan was expecting a model that night.
We don’t know who killed Bryan and we can not even be sure why they killed him. But we do know you had to be in his house to do it. Not Virginia and not in California. All the supposed people of interest have alibis for their whereabouts on the night in question. It would appear that Bryan made someone hate him so much that they killed him in cold blood in his home while he sat on his sofa and torched the house. What drove someone to do such a thing? What did he do to someone to bring out this much anger and rage? The police have really made no progress in this case at all it has been at a stand still for at least 2 months. And they are hanging on to the search warrant affidavits for dear life. I wonder what they are hiding in those? It had better be good is all I’m saying cause I wanna know.
This is Elmysterio and I’m out
Elmysterio you have no proof that Bryan abused the young men who worked for him. It's just your opinion of which your intitled to of couse. I'll be up front about my opinion. I don't like Sean and I don't trust him and there is plenty of evidence to back up what i'm saying.
ReplyDeleteLet me ask you? Do you think that Sean or Grant have been abusive in anyway to the people who have come in contact with them?
thats a great post Mr Elms ... very straight forward - to the point and clear ... here in aus you can't register a car till 18... guessing it different in the US of A. I value your opinion and your honesty... yeah i admit I don't like the way Harlow's guys are cashing in on the murder - Bryan - yeah i agree he was in a dodgy business - young lads and barebacking ... brent - yeah well juliens post sure does highlight the fact that brett is no fool when it comes to life and choices and he's fully aware of what he was doing - and saying and writing... and yeah you have to admit that he has been caught out lying before ... and yeah the Harlow connection is a roose - ... but why ... it really is all mixed up and maybe never will the answers be found ... but man i sure hope so ...
ReplyDeletegreat post Mr
thanks
rob in oz
hi elm,
ReplyDeletei brought up the question with the drivers license and the car and its insurance. i just wondered how sean and bryan could live together for month without bryan ever seen seans drivers license. sean and the sean camp always tell us bryan was just shown a photoshopped id at the beginning of the filming and bryan should have know for this and that reason. they never told us that bryan has seen seans drivers license in a everyday situation when you live together or transfer/insure a car and stuff like that.
you said except the associate nobody knew of the meeting with the model. i believe to remember that sean who called in the morning knew about a model meeting but not who the model is.
did you all see Drakes's all too innocent "drop by" Harlows new blog...sounds like Drake may have been left out of the loop on a few things, so to speak. :-)
ReplyDeleteElm,
ReplyDeleteOnce again you are asking people to take comments at face value. By your reasoning we must also come to the conclusion that Bryan was a great man after all Cameron said that.
As for your claim that you have other evidence that indeed Mr. Corrigan is 20 you are legally obligated to report this to the feds. However I do not know if that to be a fact since all I have is your word and the fact is. Corrigans words, Camerons words, Bryans words, and your words mean.... nothing as far as evidence
Elm, I'm back FROM reality and recognise a few words and phrases ;).
ReplyDeleteI claim no knowledge of US road traffic law or insurance practice. My only observation is that Bryan only insured Sean in late summer 2005 when he purchased the VW jetta for him. No one disputes that Sean was aged 18+ at that time.
I am unaware that Sean was insured to drive Bryan's Masserati however unless the US insurance market has a markedley different attitude to risk I would assume that to insure a 18/19 y/o to drive a $150,000 turbocharged Masserati would be rather expensive.
On a personal level I doubt Bryan would allow anyone to share his precious "Italian Stallion".
Accordingly, I cannot see how insurance records and practice has any bearing on the credibility of Sean's driving license or age.
I wish it were that simple.
to anonymous@April 20, 2007 1:50 PM
ReplyDeleteElm,
Once again you are asking people to take comments at face value. By your reasoning we must also come to the conclusion that Bryan was a great man after all Cameron said that.
As for your claim that you have other evidence that indeed Mr. Corrigan is 20 you are legally obligated to report this to the feds. However I do not know if that to be a fact since all I have is your word and the fact is. Corrigans words, Camerons words, Bryans words, and your words mean.... nothing as far as evidence
I don’t know why you assume that I am asking you to believe everything I write here because I am not.
I am stating my opinion and that’s it. As far as Cameron’s words on Bryan Kocis that is his opinion of the man. Brent is as far as I’m concerned is just as credible as Cameron when it concerns Bryan. They both had dealings with him and they both have opinions of him as you and I do. So to say that anything that I post is of little evidence is your opinion and that is fine with me. You are allowed your opinion. I never met Bryan and my opinion is based on what I have read in the court documents, the news reports and on the blogs. Whether you take it as yours or not is up to you. As far as the evidence that Brent is 20 years old I am not going to share that source or the information. As far as reporting it to the authorities I really don’t feel that it is necessary. As it is information that they would already have. It is obvious that the authorities would have pursed this case if they were inclined to do so but as far as I know they have not.
I have read in the news reports that Bryan had sex and videotaped it with a 15 year-old boy and used a lame excuse to get the charges reduced. He pleaded guilty to the charge and he served I year probation for it. The charge was later reduced and that is a fact. The only thing he was charged with was possession of the videotape. with the underage boy and him having sex, all the other charges were dropped. That is a crime that requires you to register as a sex offender. It was the law then and it is the law now.
You have to understand that if 75% of the information you receive on someone is negative there must be some credence to it. It’s obvious that this case means something to you and that’s understandable. Your opinion and any insight on this case you have is welcomed here. I am open for debate on all the issues of this case. And anything else you want to talk about.
"You have to understand that if 75% of the information you receive on someone is negative there must be some credence to it."
ReplyDeleteElm, that is incorrect. We should have no problem in disbelieving 100% of what a liar says.
Remember the Iraqi minister for information.
Tubbs said... April 20, 2007 4:35 AM
ReplyDeleteElmysterio you have no proof that Bryan abused the young men who worked for him. It's just your opinion of which your intitled to of couse. I'll be up front about my opinion. I don't like Sean and I don't trust him and there is plenty of evidence to back up what i'm saying.
This is my statement I believe you are referring to:
I have been accused of hating Bryan Kocis but that is not true I never said I liked him and I stand by my position on that to this day. He was not a nice man and he abused his power and he corrupted young men and boys. But I did not hate him.
I never said Bryan abused the young men who worked for him. I said he abused the power he had. But you can take the statement any way you want too. He used his power in an attempt to crush Sean Lockhart. All the evidence is there to prove that point. He did corrupt young men and boys and he was charged with that crime. The evidence is there for that fact as well.
Let me ask you? Do you think that Sean or Grant have been abusive in anyway to the people who have come in contact with them?
To answer your question: there has been evidence to back up that claim. Sean and Grant were abusive to Bryan on the Juciygoo forums, which have since been deleted by the Administrator of the site. There is also Cobrakiller blog which is no longer available. There are also the rants by Sean on his wen-site which have since been deleted as part of the settlement. You need to understand that the verbal abuse was reactionary to the abuses made by Bryan. Bryan did everything is his power to besmirch slander and crush Sean Lockhart. So Sean and Grant fought back with whatever avenues they had at their disposal.
Elm said
ReplyDelete"It is obvious that the authorities would have pursed this case if they were inclined to do so but as far as I know they have not."
Maybe because a few mins of fact checking and they discovered the truth that he was of legal and decided they would not help a pornographer prove the age of a performer ? You need to remember when Tracy Lords made the undergaed claims she not only proved it but the authorities were all over the case
elm,
ReplyDelete"Bryan did everything is his power to besmirch slander and crush Sean Lockhart. So Sean and Grant fought back with whatever avenues they had at their disposal."
what did bryan to sean more than enforce a contract sean signed and asked for proof of the underage claims?
Yes, Bagdad Bob, one of the funniest government officials anywhere. You could see the US tanks across the river behind him while he is saying no invasion is taking place. That was hilarious.
ReplyDeleteCad dear welcome Back long time no read.
ReplyDeleteAbout the car insurance: If you ad a car to and a driver to your policy you need to provide a drivers license and the registration of the vehicle and the garaging location of the vehicle. I worked in insurance for 10 years and the rules have always been the same. Standard practice is what is used when you add a vehicle to a policy. If you are insuring someone under 25 years old you have to pay additional premium because of the risk factor of younger drivers. To add Sean to his existing policy Bryan’s premiums would have most likely doubled. Bryan would get a separate policy for Sean to avoid that. Insurance companies do not care if you have a young driver on your policy and they are only driving one car. The premium is based on the value of the vehicles you have the age and experience of the drivers the location that you live in and how many vehicles you have. Bryan had about $250,000.00 worth of vehicles not including the Volkswagon Jetta. His premium would already be high and to add a 18 year old driver to the policy would be push his premiums through the roof. So he would most likely get a separate policy for Sean. That would only be common sense. To do this you would still need the information I mentioned before. So if Bryan did insure Sean then he would have to have his ID to do so. Insurance companies get DMV printouts of all drivers on the policies for their records.
well that means: that it is probably that bryan should have seen during not just a faxed photocopy of seans dc but rather his real documents. either because they lived together for several month or because of the car transfer or car insurabe procedure.
ReplyDeleteAlbert
ReplyDeleteThanks for reminding me of Bagdad Bob. He really was quite a joke in an otherwise tragic situation.
I assume he is employed by Fox News nowadays.
Could someone please clarify whether
ReplyDelete(1)a US citizen can hold more than one state's driving license.
(2)the details of one state license is linked (corroborated) by the other state's license.
i mean insurance of course in my last posting sorry
ReplyDeleteI have two driving licenses issued by the UK and another European country.
ReplyDeleteThrough procedure and custom rather than error, they show two different names and passport numbers.
They are however both GENUINE, VALID and LEGAL driving licenses.
anonymous said April 20, 2007 5:11 PM
ReplyDeleteMaybe because a few mins of fact checking and they discovered the truth that he was of legal and decided they would not help a pornographer prove the age of a performer ? You need to remember when Tracy Lords made the undergaed claims she not only proved it but the authorities were all over the case
Bryan would not believe Sean’s true age because he did not want to. He was handed a birth Certificate and he refused it because it was not state certified. It also did not say what he wanted it to say. Bryan wanted Sean to be legal age and he would not accept the fact that he was not. It really is that simple. Bryan was up against a wall on this one and he needed proof that Sean was either legal or he lied. Either one would do for his purposes it really did not matter at that point. He was already under public scrutiny from the original case and the charge reduction of that case and the underage porn production allegations. Bryan needed a way out of this mess. The real problem with all this is that he knew all along that Sean was underage and he was complicit in that lie. There have been other cases of underage male performers in porn and nothing ever came from those cases as well. http://www.gaypornblog.com/archives/2003/07/2257.html here is a link to a story and nobody went to jail over this one either. Have you ever heard of Jeff Browning? I bet you haven’t?
Cad I am full aware of your friendship with Bryan and I truly do understand that you have your opinion of him and nothing I could do or say would change that. I have my own opinion of Bryan as well and we can just agree to disagree on who he was. I have said it before and it bares repeating Bryan was allot of different things to different people and what one person saw could be totally different from someone else’s opinion of him. I have voiced mine and you have voiced yours and I’m fine with that.
ReplyDeleteJeff Browning was another underaged performer who if memory serves me correct worked for a wide number of studios before the 5557 regulations were put into place (or more strictly enforced) I am going to admit that my recollections could be wrong so do feel free to correct me.
ReplyDeleteThis still does not change the fact that Brent Corrigan has not proven his age. Given the extreme seriousness of his allegations it's very alarming that he has yet to verify his age in a court setting. As for that alleged copy that was handed to Bryan in that deposition. Let me ask you this. If someone has already made claims of forging ID documents would you accept a copy from him ? No you would demand a certified and verified document.
The insurance thing is just a distraction. Think about it when was the last time someone sold or gave you a car and then needed to see your ID so they could insure it for you ????? I have never had to produce my ID for insurance purposes. I just fill out a form and write in what I claim to be truthful.
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ReplyDeleteAB said
ReplyDeletewhat did bryan to sean more than enforce a contract sean signed and asked for proof of the underage claims?
April 20, 2007 5:15 PM
Bryan took out a Copywrite on the name Brent Corrigan.
Bryan started a web-site and used unflattering pictures of Brent Corrigan
Bryan made thereats against Brent’s safty.
Bryan used his money to ruin Brent.
He filed a fake court case to get Brent to go back to Luzerne County you need more?
ab said...
well that means: that it is probably that bryan should have seen during not just a faxed photocopy of seans dc but rather his real documents. either because they lived together for several month or because of the car transfer or car insurabe procedure.
April 20, 2007 5:38 PM
That would be very likely since Bryan would need the license to insure the car. And the DMV printout would be part of the policy information.
Cad said...
Could someone please clarify whether
(1)a US citizen can hold more than one state's driving license.
You are required to surrender your old License when you get a new one in a different state. Not always physically but it is defaced in some way to show that it is not valid.
(2)the details of one state license is linked (corroborated) by the other state's license
April 20, 2007 5:45 PM.
Yes they are here is a link to the CA DMV http://www.dmv.ca.gov/
have fun it’s a mess.
elm,
ReplyDeletebryan gained nothing from expecting sean to produce another faked id in the civil case. prosecution works its own way. and until now there was no prosecution.
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anon,
i brought up this car insurance stuff because i can hardly imagine, that bryan never saw seans id in all the time: private life together, this car transfer/insurance. the sean camp wanted us to believe the only thing bryan has ever seen was a faxed photocopy.
as i bought a car in the us it was more or less impossible to get the title/insurance with my international drivers licence. in the moment i had a us one everything was easy.
i agree sean has to prove his age the way proposed here to destroy any doubt.
Anonymous April 20, 2007 6:30 PM
ReplyDeleteYou are talking about the dealership where you purchased the vehicle. They do not underwrite the policy. They generally give you a insurance binder to drive the vehicle based on your existing policy. I was a underwriter I wrote the policies for the insured. I required the drivers license number and a photocopy of the ID of the insured and a copy of the registration of the vehicle and the address where the vehicle was garaged (address where the insured kept the vehicle) this is the information I would use to write the policy. The insurance Agent is who would collect that information. Bryan would have gone to his agent to get the vehicle insured or he would have to fax the information to the agent. To do so he would have seen the license unless Sean faxed it for him either he would have seen Sean’s age on the policy.
"Bryan took out a Copywrite on the name Brent Corrigan."
ReplyDeletetrademarks and patents are typical business tactics to protect intellectual property. at least one can try to get it.
"Bryan started a web-site and used unflattering pictures of Brent Corrigan"
really, we talk about porn. they were not better or worse as pic i have seen on hundrets of other websites.
"Bryan made thereats against Brent’s safty."
when and how?
"Bryan used his money to ruin Brent."
sean broke a contract and made unverified claims who were able to destroy cobra and bryan. shouldn he just shut up and ran away as the sean camp expected?
"He filed a fake court case to get Brent to go back to Luzerne County you need more?"
he wanted sean to prove his real age. what is wrong with doing it at the place of the company sean worked for.
the alleged luzerne county conspiracy?
"You are required to surrender your old License when you get a new one in a different state. Not always physically but it is defaced in some way to show that it is not valid."
the drivers license is shown still valid in this washington database.
IT REALLY DOES NOT MATTER. What is the big stink over the age of this twink. Does it really matter one way or the other Bryan is still dead. If you really want to see his first videos and this is what your age issue is all about they are available on the black market. If this is why you think Bryan was killed, my question is why? There is no reason to harp on this issue it is pointless. you can believe what you want. Who really cares anymore it’s all really just bullshit.
ReplyDeleteanon
ReplyDelete"Who really cares anymore it’s all really just bullshit."
it is important to understand the course of events.
Elm, I respect that this is YOUR blog and it for your opinions.
ReplyDeleteI also appreciate that unlike Harlow and Sean you do not moderate comments.
However Sean can PROVE his age. Whereas Bryan cannot.
We can argue over many subsidiary issues but a date of birth is a fact and can be proved at law very simply.
We don't need to look at insurance documents, out of date drivers licenses or other derivative documents.
There is prime evidence of Sean's age that can be exibited in a confidential manner that does not compromise his privacy or security.
Sean has decided not to do so and so we are entitled to make such inferences as we wish from that fact.
Because these sick fucks are disesed perv's and their hero is dead! No more teenboys for them,,Ha Ha All pervs go to hell!
ReplyDeleteBecause these sick fucks are disesed perv's and their hero is dead! No more teenboys for them,,Ha Ha All pervs go to hell!
ReplyDeleteAB here is my response.
ReplyDeleteelm "Bryan took out a Copywrite on the name Brent Corrigan."
ab trademarks and patents are typical business tactics to protect intellectual property. at least one can try to get it.
elm A human being is not intellectual property. And you can not put a patent on one. So today I will go out and patent your name because I made it up and you have to pay me to use it and you also have to pay me everytime your picture is taken. Oh yeah you can only be photographed by me if you are naked. Hows that for a deal. Bryan wanted to own BRENT CORRIGAN the man was obsessed.
elm "Bryan started a web-site and used unflattering pictures of Brent Corrigan"
AB really, we talk about porn. they were not better or worse as pic i have seen on hundrets of other websites.
ELM Ok you liked the web site fine you can go ahead and enjoy it I think the picture on the dvd box is disgusting and degrading. Bryan wasnted brent to be his little slave boy. Contract or not it is just wrong.
Elm "Bryan made thereats against Brent’s safty."
AB when and how?
ELM Read the depositions
AB "Bryan used his money to ruin Brent."
sean broke a contract and made unverified claims who were able to destroy cobra and bryan. shouldn he just shut up and ran away as the sean camp expected?
ELM I have never denied that fact but there must have been a good reason
elm "He filed a fake court case to get Brent to go back to Luzerne County you need more?"
ab he wanted sean to prove his real age. what is wrong with doing it at the place of the company sean worked for.
the alleged luzerne county conspiracy?
elm And that would have proven what exactly? That Sean was underage and Bryan made kiddy porn? Do you really think they would not have thrown Sean in jail for fraud?
elm "You are required to surrender your old License when you get a new one in a different state. Not always physically but it is defaced in some way to show that it is not valid."
ab the drivers license is shown still valid in this washington database.
elm Did you notice the big hole in it? That’s called defacing it.
"There is prime evidence of Sean's age that can be exibited in a confidential manner that does not compromise his privacy or security.
ReplyDeleteSean has decided not to do so and so we are entitled to make such inferences as we wish from that fact."
elm,
ReplyDelete"A human being is not intellectual property. And you can not put a patent on one. So today I will go out and patent your name because I made it up and you have to pay me to use it and you also have to pay me everytime your picture is taken. Oh yeah you can only be photographed by me if you are naked. Hows that for a deal. Bryan wanted to own BRENT CORRIGAN the man was obsessed."
the name of the person is sean lockhart. brent corrigan is a stage name. the trademark was granted. sean signed a contract which just allowed him to be photographed naked by cobra. he decided to do so. later he broke that contract. i would never sign something like that.
"Do you really think they would not have thrown Sean in jail for fraud? "
who is they? if he committed fraud then he had to face the consequences. anyway he never went there. but the intention to get sean to show a valid id to prove his underage claims still holds.
"Did you notice the big hole in it? That’s called defacing it."
i have seen it. but i would have expected that the data base entry is also deleted. but it does not really matter anyway.
ReplyDeleteCad said over on Jason's blog
Elm in his celebratory post admitted his possible doubts, prior to the release of the license, despite him also alluding to inside knowledge of the certainty of Sean's age. Certainty and doubt - undermine each other to my mind.?
Cad in reagards to your comment about certainty and doubt. Well I am certain now because I had a drivers license number to go by. This in turn gave me a date of birth. Remember I worked for an insurance company? Well I still have freiiends who work for them as well a phone call and a question and a printout. Opps is this proof? I think so. Can’t get a license with out a birth certificate not if you are under 18 years old.
elm,
ReplyDelete"I hope that answers the various question you have. I have not really touched on the age issue in this post but I can say that Sean Lockhart is 20 years old and this is from a very reliable source. I can not reveal who they are but I trust them totally.
April 6, 2007 1:59 PM "
"Cad in reagards to your comment about certainty and doubt. Well I am certain now because I had a drivers license number to go by. This in turn gave me a date of birth. Remember I worked for an insurance company? Well I still have freiiends who work for them as well a phone call and a question and a printout. Opps is this proof? I think so. Can’t get a license with out a birth certificate not if you are under 18 years old."
sean published his drivers license on april 11.
you said you used his licence number to confirm it 5 days earlier. how did you get this number?
CAD says, "However Sean can PROVE his age. Whereas Bryan cannot."
ReplyDeleteThat is the core of the argument. Under our laws it is the companys responsibility to have proof of age, not the actors. If, as you say, "Bryan cannot," then the statements Bryan (Cobra) has made about having proof of age on file are false. That makes him the criminal. Brent was just a 17 year old kid that needed money bad enough to submit to this exposure. Start convicting underage kids in California of having fake ID's if you like. I think we have a difference in priorities.
This argument is getting so old. Please present somthing from Cobra tha indicates what age you think Brent really is. Brent has complied with the settlement terms even when Cobra could not. Brent has given Cobra the documents it needed to BECOME legal. Brent has posted his ID on the web for all to see, pixilate, analize, research and talk about.
If you have somthing, show it now. I hope that was a little kinder then my last rant.
Albert
"There is prime evidence of Sean's age that can be exibited in a confidential manner that does not compromise his privacy or security...
ReplyDeleteSean has decided not to do so and so we are entitled to make such inferences as we wish from that fact."
CAD, Sean has shown his identification. Jason Curious has seen his California driver's license. Sean's posted his Washington State license to his website. I've seen his California license and his US passport. Last weekend, Sean even offered to show his passport to Jason Curious before his appearance on Curious' panel.
In any event, all three documents say the same thing: he was born on October 31st, 1986.
Well Ab I see you are really attached to whole contract issue which is all fine and good. Sean did break his contract. We all know that. And he did not go to Luzerene County for the deposition. Under advice form his attorney. And he did use fake ID to work for Bryan. this is all true as you claim. Sean’s birth certificate would not have saved Bryan’s life. There is too much time wasted on kicking this dead cow. Like the anon poster said Does it really matter? Everyone is so fixated on a piece of paper. To me it really does not matter whether Bryan got Sean’s ID blessed from the Pope, if it was fake it was just plain fake.
ReplyDeleteMy question are:
What does any of this have to do with Bryan’s Murder?
If Sean were 21 would Bryan still be alive?
If Bryan knew all along would it have made that big of a difference if he got the birth certificate?
Here is the big issue here; was Bryan 2257 compliant in regards to Brent Corrigan and did Bryan have valid ID on file for this model as is required by the Federal Government?
And all three documents could be forgeries. Unfourtunately since he is an admitted lier we can not take anything he says or produces as accurate.
ReplyDeleteJason Curious has already admitted that it's possible that the ID was fake
Mr. Corrigan is free to end all the speculation once and for all. He knows what he needs to do to prove if lied before is currently lying now.
"Here is the big issue here; was Bryan 2257 compliant in regards to Brent Corrigan and did Bryan have valid ID on file for this model as is required by the Federal Government?"
ReplyDeleteGood question. Cobra has stated in the past that they had color copies of the 3 different IDs Brent gave them. IF Cobra is telling the truth and those documents were valid then the answer is yes they were 2257. Cobra was apparently confident they had the appropiate documents because they did not pull the films right away. This could be interpreted as being confident that they had copies of valid IDs or that Cobra was stupid. It was then "recomended" that the films be pulled until the matter could be sorted out. I am not saying that Cobra is being truthful about the color copies of 3 different IDs however in order to prove that those 3 copies either are forgeries or don't even exist then Brent needs to prove in a legal setting his date of birth.
elm,
ReplyDelete"My question are:
What does any of this have to do with Bryan’s Murder?
If Sean were 21 would Bryan still be alive?
If Bryan knew all along would it have made that big of a difference if he got the birth certificate?
Here is the big issue here; was Bryan 2257 compliant in regards to Brent Corrigan and did Bryan have valid ID on file for this model as is required by the Federal Government?"
the events, allegations, accusations of the last year around the age issued can indeed have caused bryans death (that close to the time of the settlement). we do not know if it has to do with bryans death but it probably does.
sean voided the documents cobra has with his claims. he never proved that claim. they might be valid. we don´t know it.
the age issue was/is very important for the sean camp as long as we were told sean was underage. in the moment we want a proof for it it is from minor importance. this is really strange.
Albert
ReplyDeleteThere is no need to consider photoshop or integrity of any image. Indeed that is classic misdirection.
The key matter is the underlying information which is readily available.
I am prepared to accept a variety of arguments as to why Sean would not wish to confirm his age while Bryan was alive. These ranged from the altruistic to averous.
Now that Bryan is dead these reasons have dispersed and so rather than utilise the equivalent of heresay Sean is truly at liberty to lay the facts out as they are.
No expert witnesses, no inside information, no judgement and no doubts just get an independent lawyer to confim the date of birth.
I am happy to offer my own services for free. If I, a self professed Cobra insider, can confirm Sean was indeed born in 1986 I cannot see how anyone could continue this debtate.
No Sir. With respect Cobra must prove it's claims by law. Brent does not. The misdirection continues from the Cobra camp that Brent is responsible. Wrong answer. Cobra is required by Law to have proof of age on file. Cobra did not. Brent has now solved that problem for Cobra. Fess up, you have nothing. Albert
ReplyDeleteAb said
ReplyDeletesean published his drivers license on april 11.
you said you used his licence number to confirm it 5 days earlier. how did you get this number?
April 20, 2007 8:35 PM
Ab Dear all of this back and fourth between blogs can be so confusing. But I made my ceabratory post at 11:06 pm on April 11th 2007 not 5 days before like you said. I am not really sure where you got that information from.
Oh Christ Brent! Are you completely determined to destroy any chance you have of redeeming yourself ? Yet another blog entry bitching and whining about what Jeremy didn't do and how the members section sucks. Keep it up Brent and soon you will not have a single bridge to cross because you not only burnt them you took a bazooka and destroyed the ground so the bridge could not be rebuilt.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing we know is that Brent has not proven his age. A picture of an ID on a website is not credible in any shape or form. If you can name me one court case where an internet photo of an ID was accepted as evidence I will concede that we should be accepting Corrigan ID as proof.
ReplyDeleteAnd Albert you can cite all the laws you want and we will come back to the same thing, Brent has a moral and ethical responsibility to his fan base to prove his age.
elm,
ReplyDelete"Ab Dear all of this back and fourth between blogs can be so confusing. But I made my ceabratory post at 11:06 pm on April 11th 2007 not 5 days before like you said. I am not really sure where you got that information from."
you said, that you verified sean age by a trustworthy source. you said that the first time april 6 in your blog discussion to "who killed bryan kocis?" i cited that part above.
sean published his drivers license on april 11.
in this discussion you said, you made use of the license number. i just wanted to know how you get this number 5 days in advance.
Ab :Is this the statement you mention?
ReplyDeletePost: Why was Bryan Kocis Killed?
“I hope that answers the various question you have. I have not really touched on the age issue in this post but I can say that Sean Lockhart is 20 years old and this is from a very reliable source. I can not reveal who they are but I trust them totally.”
April 6, 2007 1:59 PM
Where do I mention a drivers license? I was referring to other information that was used to get age verification. Something you could have used as well.
elm,
ReplyDeletewhen i could use it, why you have to make it a secret.
"Cad in reagards to your comment about certainty and doubt. Well I am certain now because I had a drivers license number to go by. This in turn gave me a date of birth. Remember I worked for an insurance company? Well I still have freiiends who work for them as well a phone call and a question and a printout. Opps is this proof? I think so. Can’t get a license with out a birth certificate not if you are under 18 years old.
April 20, 2007 8:27 PM "
some days later you said you verified the age by using the drivers license and an internal source.
what is the truth now?
ab
ReplyDeleteThat was always the truth I used the court documents and information found there. If you had those documents you would have the same info. No one would belive it so when Sean put up the Washington Drivers License I used that also. now I just have two forms of proof as opposed to only one for age verification. It is your perogative whether you believe or not. What really matters is that I Believe. I am not going to reveal my source for how I got the info because I promised I would not do that. I'm sorry if I caused you any confusion.
Hey Elms...
ReplyDeletesurely if brent wern't underage when he did the cobra shoots then they would be well released by now - the biggest sellers they were ... as has been reported - so if brent were 18 when he did them then everyone would be seeking there release ...cobra - brent - anyone who could cash in.. I believe that your insurance insider gave you the correct info on brent ... and that the age question is answered ...
the questions that ain't answered
why the fire ?
why 28 stab wounds?
why sealed warrents still?
why no word from the police, the cobra camp?
why no new updates from... anywhere?
why have we not seen any "new" pics from harlow ?... they appear to be taken at the same photo shoot when reparing the hot tub - and with the tape measure - sure these are not recent shots of harlow or marlow ...
does anyone think this case will ever be solved? or will we be watching an arrest in 20 years on cold case files when some new technology shows who did it ??
i wonder
rob in oz
Elm you know nothing. You lie, you break laws. You have no credibility.
ReplyDeleteIts true because you say so? I think not dearie. Get a life.
Your pathetic.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteElm you know nothing. You lie, you break laws. You have no credibility.
Its true because you say so? I think not dearie. Get a life.
Your pathetic.
April 21, 2007 8:09 PM
BB darling do you seriously think that I would not recognize the ramblings of a lunatic. Come come now you have the grammar of an infant and the thought process of a psycho. So please don’t hide behind an anontmous name we all know who you are.
Hey Rob here are some answers to your questions I am not an expert mind you so I am just basing my answers on my experience. But here goes
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
Hey Elms...
surely if brent wern't underage when he did the cobra shoots then they would be well released by now - the biggest sellers they were ... as has been reported - so if brent were 18 when he did them then everyone would be seeking there release ...cobra - brent - anyone who could cash in.. I believe that your insurance insider gave you the correct info on brent ... and that the age question is answered ...
the questions that ain't answered
why the fire ?
To destroy evidence I would assume and pretty successful I might add.
why 28 stab wounds?
Most likely a diversion to make the Police think it was a crime of passion.
why sealed warrents still?
To protect what little evidence they do have.
why no word from the police, the cobra camp?
The police really have nothing to say and the only person who would speak for cobra is dead.
why no new updates from... anywhere?
I would assume because nothing is happening with the case. It looks like the have run into a dead end.
why have we not seen any "new" pics from harlow ?... they appear to be taken at the same photo shoot when reparing the hot tub - and with the tape measure - sure these are not recent shots of harlow or marlow ...
Fairly recent but not that recent I will check on that and get back to you.
does anyone think this case will ever be solved? or will we be watching an arrest in 20 years on cold case files when some new technology shows who did it ??
Yes I do but how soon I do not know. But the police are laying low and hoping the killer will slip up. Pretty much how it works. So no news is good news I would suspect.
i wonder
rob in oz
April 21, 2007 7:08 PM
thanks mr elms -
ReplyDeletecan aways trust you to respond ... in the best possible way
much apprieciated :)
rob in oz