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Friday, May 30, 2008

Twisted logic

So many of you seem to be a bit confused with the details of my involvement in this murder saga.

First of all I had no contact with Joe and Harlow before April 16th 2007. So I guess that rules out the possibility of me aiding Joe with the identity of the owner of the Nissan Murano parked in Bryan’s driveway on the night he was killed. You know the one that Rob brought up.

Secondly I knew about the location of the Maserati long before the beach tapes. I really don’t get why so many of you seem to think that I am more involved in this case that I really am. I just blogged about it.

Thirdly I have had no contact with Robert Wagner. No emails no phone contact nada. Robert’s whereabouts on the night of the murder are not known to me. I did not pull his credit report nor anyone else’s for that matter. Where Rob got that bit of info from is your guess as well as mine.

Finally I did not ever write Harlow or Joe’s blogs for them. I have spoken to the both of them on the phone and in emails and they never made and confessions to me about the murder. As far as where the vehicle Harlow was driving on the night of Bryan’s murder was parked, From witness testimony it was parked in the driveway on Midland Drive. Behind Bryan’s car and the mystery SUV with New York plates, as per Rob.

As far as any of the other things that I have been accused of that is pure speculation from the posters. As far as me not supporting Joe and Harlow anymore you all can believe what you want to believe. I just have better things to do with my time than to argue with you all about something that I can not change. I think that this case has been mishandled from the very start. I was never sent anything with regards to this case. Joe and Harlow never sent me anything no packages or letters no evidence what so ever.

I will not be included in the trial, as I have no information that the state would need because PC has everything that the state would assume that I would have. He has made it clear that he is the expert on this case with his intimidation tactics and outing of people who post on his and other blogs. He has all the information on everyone involved and he would be able to make a more compelling argument than I ever could. Jim if you think that I will be indicted in this murder case on conspiracy charges you are more delusional than I ever would have thought. But I guess you could hope that I would be charged with a crime for not believing you and your "Ocams Razor".

Bryan Kocis was in violation of the law with his home business. He illegally filmed porn in his home in Dallas Township. There is video proof of that; scenes filmed in the very living room where he was killed can be seen in "A Boys Raw Urges"and "Naughty boys toys". He used the same sofa where his dead body was found in "A Boys Raw Urges" Yet he was allowed to film porn in his home and use the Luzerne County courts to intimidate Sean Lockhart who claimed that he was filmed by Kocis while he was underage. The courts of Luzerne County are more involved in this murder case than any of us would like to believe.

Just look at all of the news about the legal system in Luzerne County. It really makes you wonder what is really going on in that county and what is going to happen with this murder case if it ever makes it to trial. Bryan Kocis ran an illegal business from his home and used the courts to intimidate a minor child who he filmed in a porn video. He also got a slap on the wrist for having sex on film with a minor child. And the courts of Luzerne County never had him register as a sex offender. Now this same court system is being investigated by the state of Pennsylvania and the FBI. It kind of makes you wonder what is really going on there.

Luzerne County has worked its magic under the radar of the Feds for so long that I guess the good ole boys just got sloppy and thought that they were above the law. Well I think that attitude is going to change when the federal indictments start getting handed out to various parties involved in the mis-justice that is Luzerne county.

This is Elmysterio and I’m out.

154 comments:

  1. Jim you are way off base again accusing me of being someone else.

    You are a total asshole and if you really want to out me well guess what I will do it for you asshole my name is Cedric. I had a design business but I do not do that anymore.

    You and PC have been trying to push my buttons for months now and I really don't care. As far as Rob goes he was a federal agent
    but you can see from his logic on this case there is a good reason why he no longer is a federal agent.

    Your main goal hear is to discredit me as best as you can. I really don't care what you have to say about me. I know what the truth is and it just pisses you all off that I do.

    I do not post on your blogs anymore because they are full of lopsided bullshit and you opinions matter not in this case.

    I have been avoiding this whole case for months now and and I really don't care what any of you have to say about it.

    You claim that you are posting facts but as Jared said it is just more spin. BB you got alot of it right but you were wrong on a lot of issues.

    The main issue you got right is the one being that this whole blog atmospere is smoke mirrors and bullshit.

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  2. Clueless slob got you to the position your find yourself in Elm. He is a total mess and knows nothing.

    The fake agent says all the information that has since been proven as lies came from you and Sassy. It is funny to see his lame attempts at directing blame away from himself and blaming others. That BS does not work with me.

    He jumped ship and dropped a few bombs to make sure the ship and the others in it went down.

    It is sad it came to this. It is your own fault really.

    You reap what you sow.

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  3. Where did slob get the idea that you arranged 3-way calls so Joe and Harlow could speak with each other? Is it true?

    Who's asshole did he pull the Nissan thng from? as far as I am aware, you were behind that too.

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  4. BB rob is on a mission of his own making. As far as the other car in the driveway on the night of the murder I heard that from a reliable source.

    As far as Robert Wagners's whereabouts on the night of the murder I do not have a clue.

    Rob told me he was a federal agent a fact that he now denies.

    I don't know who Jim is and really do not care. as far as I am concerned he is a arogant bastard.

    PC is a snake in the grass and I would not trust him with monkey shit.

    As far as I'm concerned him and Jim can have the whole blogasphere with reards to Joe and Harlow. They both seem to know it all anyway.

    I am not so sure why this has been so blown out of shape but PC and his blog is definatly making the defenses argument for a change of venue.

    The one thing that I find interesting is that Jim , Rob and PC all chose to believe Joe when he says what they want to hear. yet they disregard all of the other statements that he has said.

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  5. Good going Elm! I quit the whole mess with blogging and promised myself not to do it anymore...My time is much too valuable to debate with ...oh well I will be nice......Look I have been around for a long time...my reputation as a person, a father, a grandfather, a foster dad, a minister, and a friend is impeccable, I am ashamed that I rolled in the mud as long as I did these last few weeks....people that do not matter to me can assume I am anywhere they want...Once again I say that do not matter to me. I am a strong person and I do not scare or back off from accusers...
    I just ignore people that are no one to me........Do not bother giving truth to people that do not understand truth or love....I don't mind being called any name in the book or being accused of anything...ya know it started in first grade and I have long been out of that...they have mocked my God and my relationship with him....that in and of itself shows me a lot about them.....the only time that I give to them is every night when I pray that God will in some way pour out his love on each and every one of them so that they too may know him some day and escape HIS judgement.....until then Elm Stand strong and do not feel that you owe explanations or justifications to anyone.....be true to thyself.

    Thanks for allowing what I hope will be my last post to be on your blog....I have many important things to do....God bless you!!!!!

    Harlow's #1 Supporter

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  6. Oops, Elm, this is my last post....I just want to say to you feel free to call me George

    Harlow's #1 supporter
    George

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  7. George,
    It is really rather presumptuous of you to proclaim yourself "Harlow's #1 supporter," and quite a slap in the face to his mother and the rest of his family. It's especially odd coming from someone on the prosecution's witness list.

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  8. George thank you for the kind words. Thomas, George can call himself anything that he wants too.

    Thomas it is not your place to judge lest you be judged. You can take your hate speak to a blog that appriciates it and that aint here.

    To all of my detractors I say bring it on. I have nothing to hide and welcome your attacks.

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  9. "Your main goal hear is to discredit me as best as you can."

    No Elm. You did that all on your own, when you bald face lied to everyone concerning Harlow's finances.

    Don't blame others for the lack of credibility you brought down on your own head.

    "I know what the truth is and it just pisses you all off that I do."

    No, it pisses us all off that you knew the truth and chose to lie to us.

    "He has made it clear that he is the expert on this case with his intimidation tactics and outing of people who post on his and other blogs."

    It was Jakester who first declared himself on a mission to expose all anonymous posters who spoke ill of Harlow. It was he was the one who first initiated these "intimidation tactics" you speak of.

    The fact that he failed and none of us have been exposed, while conversely, it has been his compadres who are now revealed, scurrying like cockroaches before a flashligh...is what we call "poetic justice."

    "I don't know who Jim is and really do not care. as far as I am concerned he is a arogant bastard."

    Yes. I like to think of myself in all of this as the arrogant bastard who never murdered anyone, so as not to be confused with Harlow and Joe.

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  10. i'd not worry or bother about any of this Elm nobody takes anything slob says seriously. so many of his claims have been exposed as bold faced lies.

    as far as jim and pc... i have seen them do no wrong in any of this.

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  11. Jim the funny thing is I know who you are and really don't give a rats ass. You are wrong about me and the fact that you claim I lied about Joe and Harlow's finances.

    I did not trust PC about what he said. I did not run a illegal credit check on Joe and Harlow. so in effect your claims that I lied are bogus claims based on your own assumptions.

    Get a grip and figure out what the real deal is. PC is a arogant bastared who came to me to brag about some new info that he had gotten from one of his famous sources.

    I asked him not to post it and he did not want to listen to me and he posted the story about Joe and Harlows house before the judge even signed off on it.

    So why would I trust someone who had been fishing for information by instant messageing me out of the blue.

    P C was on a mission to destroy any hope that Joe and Harlow would ever have for a fair trail. he has proven that from his first blog post.

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  12. BB you don't see them doing any wrong because thats the way they want it. You might really want to take a close look at Jim and what he is constantly proclaiming about a certain twink porn model.

    From high on top of mount shitmore he spouts his venom and anger that is so familiar that it frightens me. I could see him driving down a dark ally screaming threats at someone.

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  13. Elm, Jim and I do not agree on much. When he posts as Jim, he is polite when he disagees. That deserves the same action from me - even if many of his posts about Sean are outright lies in my view. It is his blog, he is free to do with it as he pleases, as we all are able to do with our own.

    Outing bloggers is pathetic. You yourself have been there, it usually backfires, as it should.

    Some bloggers it is best not to out for other reasons, reasons I am not prepared to share at this time.

    The thing is Elm, it should matter to you not if Joe and Harlow are guilty.

    You deeply involved yourself in this saga. That has consequences.

    The CobraKiller got me involved in this saga. That too has its consequences.

    Check out my new post about why Sean should NEVER be a spokes person for safe sex.

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  14. Hey Elm I want you to be the 4th to know..I am back on blog at www.harlowisinnocent.blog.com
    hhey 4th is pretty high up....keep up your good work my friend....GOOD things are ahead!

    One of Harlow's many Supporters
    (close to the top :-) if not the top)

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  15. Hey Robert--

    You are a contradictory weasel.

    You are involved. You were on that property, your claims aside.

    In your 12:23 pm post you slap Elm in the face and that after you were warming up to him at a fair pace. You have credibility problems. They started when you and no one else stripped up Harlow's head shot from the email to Sean. The other one is your denial as the Queen of the Cobra stable of escorts, a rather shakey position for a 24 year old, given Kocis upper age limit of 23 and out. Borrowed time.

    10 minutes on the stand at the Preliminary Hearing because of your tainted credibility. What did you term your relationship in that venue? Ah yes, Kocis' "Best Friend." That's a lie.

    Wagner, with assistance from Cad, has tried to claim he was not Bryan Kocis' lover or hanging at his pad. Wagner was around the night of the murder alright, keeping his bread and butter in sight. Too bad Wagner wet his pants and rusted his Kocis gifted gun, shook his leg and made a head long run.

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  16. i'd not worry or bother about any of this Elm nobody takes anything slob says seriously. so many of his claims have been exposed as bold faced lies.

    Were that the case Robert, your world would be far safer. Ah moaning about the credit check.

    If nothing to the more serious claims against the defendants, they would have been released. Not so.

    PC's sources are the least of your trouble.

    And this is true Robert Wagner--you tolerate Jim, don't like him but tolerate him. You are a thief, a liar, a panderer, a pimp, and a purveyor. And all the spin cycle you wish to engage won't change facts. I will keep that white, hot spotlight on you.

    I am still here.

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  17. Elm, any comments or thoughts you might have on Preacher George's new best blogfriend? See comments 1 and 2:

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4557663978736891417&postID=4491682865497146046

    I would be REALLY interested on hearing your take on this recent turn of events! :-)

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  18. Hey Robert--

    Read your latest post. You are going to great lengths to rewrite your history with Cobra Video and its late owner, Bryan Charles Kocis, your lover and business associate.

    According to you, Sean is suspect as a spokesman on the health issues associated with barebacking. And you strongly infer he is or had an escort.

    Wagner, you, as Aaron Phelps, were also a bareback model for Kocis and filmed. By your own words, you are an escort too, but with a difference. As the Queen of the Cobra Stable, you had to arrange dates for the boys. You did lots of that in the summer of 2004. Like the way you paint yourself with your own brushwork.

    Claiming only to be Kocis' "best friend." Disingenuousness at its worst.

    Jealous of Sean and his steady rise while you wallow in false loyalty to the corpse of a man who was selling you out--did so in a deposition.

    Keep trying to rewrite Cobra history Robert. It won't help you.

    As for another party rewriting history, Jared's list applies and the fact basis behind it. You caused your own downfall.

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  19. slob, you get more deperate with each post you make. funny as hell to watch is that.

    face it fake agent imposter, you have no credibility. your lies took and still take care of that.

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  20. https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4557663978736891417&postID=4491682865497146046

    holy shit!!!! LOL.

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  22. They started when you and no one else stripped up Harlow's head shot from the email to Sean.

    Is it known for a fact that Harlow's [Drake's] head was stripped? An attorney for Sean and Grant announced a couple of days after the murder that his clients knew the identity of the model who was scheduled to visit Kocis the night of the murder. One way that they would know this is by recognizing the photo.

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  23. Prof--

    It is established fact that the face shot of Harlow Cuadra was stripped out of the email sent to Sean. Sean received a text email only.

    Next, the way Sean and Grant learned of the murderers' identities was through the phone call received by Sean, at his work, placed by Harlow Cuadra. The stripped out photo in the email to Sean gets to the credibility of the party who set it on Kocis' behalf. That email sending individual was Robert Wagner, Kocis' lover and personal assistant and nemesis of Sean Lockhart. Hope that clarifies the matter.

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  24. slob, as usual your demented ramblings are lies.

    again, your credibility is and always will be huge problem for you.

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  25. BTW the clip is from "Take It Like A BITCH Boy" :)

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  27. Robert Wagner sent an email to Sean Lockhart with the information for model applicant Danny Moilin aka Harlow Raymond Cuadra with the face shot stripped out. Text email only. The IP traced back to Robert Wagner.

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  28. BB you seem to be slipping on the slippery slope you created for yourself.

    You have misrepresented my statements here and elsewhere. You whine too much. Ah, yes, Bryan didn't care for that trait of yours. Put him off.

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  29. slob, as usual your demented ramblings are lies.

    again, your credibility is and always will be huge problem for you.

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  30. Wagner odd that you would make that claim. You were the one with the revisit from the state police.

    10 minutes in the witness stand. That only happens when counsel is not confident in the witness.

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  31. The persona commonally referred to as BB interjects "your credibility is and always will be huge problem for you."

    Tend to your own Robert. The clip is an outtake flimed from a different angle from the retitled "Take It Like a Bad Boy" the title change was part of the settlement agreement.

    Nice try at your attempt to yet again rewrite history Robert. Didn't work.

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  32. ROB: you seem to be slipping on the slippery slope you created for yourself.

    Often happens to those who lie.

    As usual your demented ramblings are lies.

    Yet again, your credibility is and always will be huge problem for you.

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  33. Robert--

    This is the second time I caught you out of your BB persona.

    Sorry. Dementia does not work in that manner. If I were truly demented, I would not be able to construct a coherent sentence.

    Once again, you attempt smear because you have no real facts with which to counter my claims of your lack of veracity.

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  34. You are whinning Robert. Not a flattering quality of yours by any stretch.

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  35. Robert Wagner, quoting Rob, "You seem to be slipping on the slippery slope you created for yourself." Wagner goes on to say "Often happens to those who lie."

    Well a starting place! Robert Wagner includes himself, well practiced liar that he happens to be.

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  36. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ELM.....THERE ARE SOME REAL PIECES OF WORK AROUND THE BLOG WORLD AREN'T THERE?....TWISTED COMMENTS AND LOGIC COME FROM TWISTED PEOPLE.
    THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ABUNDANCE OF THEM DOESN'T THERE.

    PASTOR GEORGE
    HARLOW'S #1 supporter

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  37. Rev. George--

    Cod's peace to you. Harlow deserves solace of spirit. Don't forget to live up to the responsibility to which you believe you have been called.

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  38. supporter says,
    "There are some real pieces of work around the blog world aren't there?
    Oh yes George and YOU ARE THE NUMBER ONE PIECE OF WORK at the moment!
    LOL!

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  39. Thanks, Rob, My track record shows that I do.....I appreciate your encouragment....you seem to be the exception around here. Even referred to you in my latest post... of I did not use your name.

    Harlow's #1 Supporter

    Since he doesnt have a problem with me signing that way I shall continue,

    Preacher, Pastor, Reverend, or me plain George

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  40. Definately a credibility problem you have. You constant rants of lies adds to your lack being taken seriously. From you claims of RW being in Bryans home the night of the murder, to RW's car being there (when he does not own a vechile), and the claim Elm engaged in illegal 3-way conversations.

    All claims someone who broke the law by impersonating a federal agent.

    It is no surprise that the authorites and other bloggers tell a completely different version of events compared to yours.

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  41. Robert--

    Back to being a broken record.

    You gave yourself away twice. BB is a persona and a pretense and we both know it.

    You were in the house or on the property the night of the murder and the tag info was obtained by Kerekes and passed to Elm.

    As for the 3-way phone communication scheme well Elm is on the hook.

    You have anything else to whine about Wagner? Whinning is not one of your best qualities.

    I must have unnerved you Robert. Thanks for using my name, Rob.

    You're a smart guy Robert. Why carry water for Kocis who was not being loyal in return?

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  42. Sorry Robert--

    Your being in the house at the time of the murder is not a crime--just makes you a material witness.

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  43. "Rob said...
    Cedric Harris was part of the 3-way phoning scheme."

    This was posted on PC's blog.

    Elm clueless slob is out for blood it seems.

    Renee amd Jimmy have crushed and put to rest many of slobs lies and claims. How very angry he is. He is bitching at Jim about it. Nobody is siding with the clueless liar. Poor dearie.

    He is extremely evil. Beware.

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  44. cluless lying slob is mad as hell he is not center of attention. renee has no time of day for the liar. righly so.

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  45. Renee brought up a most interesting point about RW. If he had been in house of Kocis night of murder, he'd be dead too.

    I agree with that.

    Slobs agenda is to protect Sean and his angry CobraKiller. He fails miserably. Often happens to liars who have zero credibility.

    You reap what you sow.

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  46. Nobody is buying Robs lies about RW. Everyone has had enough of his crap.

    Did Rob ever tell you what it is he has against RW?

    Clueless Slob ranks right up there with DK.

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  47. You all sit here and scream and bitch about supposid things that El did. Maybe some of you should sit back and take a look at this whole thing.Just as PC, Elm had a source that was giving him information. As we all know everything is not the truth. How would El know that things he was being told were false truths? He would not. He would assume that what he is being told is the truth.
    I just find it hard to believe that all of you people would go to such deeps ends to be so cruel and mean to El. He never did anything to any of you. He posts his feelings and posts what he believes is his end of this saga and you all still bitch at him. Well we all have our own opinions, he is allowed to have his, and we all view things in different ways. Ten of us could see a car accident on the street and all ten of us could and would have differnet versions of that car accident. So how and why do you treat El the way you do becuase his version was different then yours. Or becuase we all have some deep seeded issues about not wanting to allow someone else to have there own opinion.

    El I accept your opinion and value the fact that you will put it out there for debate. Thank you.

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  48. "Slobs agenda is to protect Sean and his angry CobraKiller. He fails miserably. Often happens to liars who have zero credibility."

    Hey Robert Renee said Sean and Grant and Robert Wagner were not murderers. Wagner was included.

    You have gone to great lengths to undermine me. You are material witness. That is a point that PC also knows.

    As for poor little Elm Renee just said it. He had a source. Renee knows that because she was talking to Elm. I WILL MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR. ELM WAS PART OF THE 3-WAY PHONE SCHEME.

    As for you Wagner, your entire blog is a joke in the light of Renee's statement to me. You made a claim for the Le Cirque dinner that does not pan out.

    Both you and Elm have tried to rewrite history and were called on it.

    You asked bloggers to join you on your blog the other night. Only you and Renee and Jimbo Gluttony showed up.

    You don't exactly hold Chinchilla Jim in high regard because of the Harlow Apology--it undercuts your attempt at claiming as you just did here that Grant, the mongoose, somehow slew your boss.

    All of us are tired of YOUR UNSUBSTANTIATED BULLSHIT AGAINST SEAN AND GRANT.

    What you don't like is that I relate the truth of your witness status. Nothing changes that fact.

    And that Jim is not too far afield Elm's ongoing tirades as well as yours.

    THE FACT IS RENEE PULLED YOUR COMEDY ROUTINE OF SEAN AND GRANT PUT JOE AND HARLOW UP TO KILLING KOCIS IN THE MUD. DIDN'T HAPPEN MED SCHOOL DROPOUT. THAT SIMPLE. WOW. I AM IN THE COMPANY OF JODY WHEELER, DEWAYNE, ALBERT, JIM, AND PC AND I WOULD ADD RENEE IN SO FAR AS THE EXTENT OF HER KNOWLEDGE IS CONCERNED.

    As for you, 10 minutes on the stand, well that totals the ledger.

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  49. PC said...
    "As for Cedric Harris, we talked and he admits it as well as talking with you. HE WAS PART OF THE 3-WAY COMMUNICATION SCHEME."

    There are 3 reasons I know this is a lie. It is 3 added lies to your already huge number of lies."

    Actually, it's not a lie. Elm did in fact converse with Harlow and Joe after their incarceration... via 3-way calling.

    Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:32:00 AM

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  50. Robert--

    You were saying about my credibility?

    I told you Cedric Harris was part of the 3-way phone scheme.

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  51. Rob said:

    As for poor little Elm Renee just said it. He had a source. Renee knows that because she was talking to Elm. I WILL MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR. ELM WAS PART OF THE 3-WAY PHONE SCHEME.


    Rob this is not what i said, stop making your own agenda with el if you have personal problem with him lay it out on the board otherwise shut the fuck up we are all sick of you and your vile shit, I kinda hear Joe creeping out of you, you seem to have similiar traits with Joe. think about it rob , joe was always the loud mouth and what you have done is take his place.

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  52. "Rob said:"
    THE FACT IS RENEE PULLED YOUR COMEDY ROUTINE OF SEAN AND GRANT PUT JOE AND HARLOW UP TO KILLING KOCIS IN THE MUD. DIDN'T HAPPEN MED SCHOOL DROPOUT. THAT SIMPLE. WOW. I AM IN THE COMPANY OF JODY WHEELER, DEWAYNE, ALBERT, JIM, AND PC AND I WOULD ADD RENEE IN SO FAR AS THE EXTENT OF HER KNOWLEDGE IS CONCERNED.


    Rob i never said anything on this , I will not comment on them at this point or in the future, it will come out at there hearings and in the trial. I do not need to elaborate, Sean, Grant and Robert all know what they did and didnt do, no one needs to sling shit at them and say they did this and that, what they did and didnt do will come out, the truth shall prevail. No matter what it is. So stop putting words in my mouth.

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  53. Renee, ignore SLOB. He clearly knows nothing.

    Outting Elms real name shows just what a nasty piece of scum he is.

    Interesting that you compare Rob to one of the murderers.

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  54. oh Elm, what did you do?

    If PC says you took part in 3-way jail house conversations, it must be true.

    Your claims and lies had to catch up with you at some point. Now they have. You remain silent. Shame on you.

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  55. BB said...
    Renee, ignore SLOB. He clearly knows nothing.

    Outting Elms real name shows just what a nasty piece of scum he is.

    Interesting that you compare Rob to one of the murderers.

    Well BB it comes down to that old saying mom used as a kid and i know we have all heard it.

    IT THE SHOE FITS, WEAR IT.

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  56. BB said:
    You remain silent. Shame on you.


    Computer took a shit, he cant answer.

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  57. Renee, did you know about the 3-way jail house conversations between Elm, Joe and Harlow?

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  58. slob will never recover from his fat file of BS lies.

    i know of not one person who supports his claims. telling is that.

    all he does is scream and make false accustions - as you are finding out.

    he has such anger and such rage, just like joe, just like the cobrakiller.

    he even got the cobrakiller story very wrong. odd as the truth is all over the blogs. actually not odd. its from slob the clueless mess.

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  59. awe nobody wants to play today :(

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  60. BB said...
    awe nobody wants to play today :(

    June 7, 2008 10:42 PM

    Come out Bb and lets expose them all....

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  61. Renee,

    I am not into outting people. Everyone knows who Kent Barcley is.

    I am tempted to out one person.

    The fake federal agent.

    Maybe I will... one day :)

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  62. BB said
    I am tempted to out one person.

    The fake federal agent.

    Maybe I will... one day :)

    LOL.

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  63. BB said...
    Renee,

    I am not into outting people. Everyone knows who Kent Barcley is.

    I am tempted to out one person.

    The fake federal agent.

    Maybe I will... one day :)

    June 8, 2008 2:38 PM

    BB the slob has been outed, he was exposed to the world and we all knwo his true identity now : Jabba the hut.

    he was exposed and it was done appropriatley. Just like his counter part kent was exposed , Jeffery dahmer jr and jabba the hut have been outed to there true characters. \
    \
    lol

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  64. DeWayne in SD may have placed himself in an undesirable position with respect to the prosecution of Harlow Cuadra and Joseph Kerekes, an undesirable position with no lube.

    I hear that the Finder, aka the Avatar is digging deeply into this with the aim of getting DeWayne out of the game and getting justice for the defendants.

    From his webchat tonite it's all about that little petition DewayneinSD "mounted" on his blog to get the FBI to inspect Cobra Video's 2257 Records, so that DewayneinSD may just be forcing prosecutors in Luzerne County to admit that they know Cobra Video's 2257 Records were not destroyed (or, at the very least, that prosecutors made no attempt to determine if in fact Cobra Video's 2257 Records were actually destroyed).

    It is a given that the charges that Cuadra and Kerekes stole and destroyed Bryan Kocis' business records are based solely on prosecutors' "interpretation" of what Harlow Cuadra said on the Blacks Beach Tapes.

    No one in Luzerne County appears to be claiming that they did an investigation and found that Bryan Kocis' business records were missing.

    So, Harlow Cuadra and Joseph Kerekes are being charged with stealing and destroying Bryan Kocis' business records. However, Cobra Video is still in business.

    What's up with that?

    Elm, what's your take?

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  65. kentie stop acting like el is your friend, he hates you like everyone else does, so get over it, you are only playing that game cause el is not on here for a few days. Get a grip , and like you normally do with your threats, i will tell you if you keep it up i will tell all the rest of your nasty secrets....

    You know i know them all , do you wish for me to expose you further?

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  66. Who possibly could the last caller to Bryan Kocis be at circa 7:50 p.m., 24 January 2007? Determined.

    This key question to stir the air and leave a chill as cold as an icy winter's wind.

    Midland is not the location and a waste of time, but West Belmont and the garage location very much in line. Easy to figure as a suspect claimed seeing the Masarati parked "in the garage," a structure not present on Midland. Then, the vehicle with NY tags makes much sense. A point of consternation, tis true, until the aerial view clarified the placement and another material witness in answer to a query and so pointing to the first material witness too. A review of Jason C was in order as well as notes. A goldmine of information that post.

    This was elsewhere: the couch. Not what one would think. A fact in the open throughout, the slaying at a slight remove.

    Why should Cad contact and plead on behalf of the material witness to an objective party? That material witness then contacted the same third party with his story.

    The pretense with Dewayne is simply that. BB is on record as calling Dewayne, Deperv and equally rauchy moniker for Albert because he has contempt for friends of Sean and Grant.

    Keep in mind, no matter if Harlow or Joe plead separately or together, either or both will elocute, present under oath, their individual narratives of the murder. Elocution is not the end of it for others on the hook.

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  67. The 2257 Records were charred to a crisp.

    Two remain: Sean Lockhart's and Robert Wagner's.

    An attempt was made at replacements for the others. It's success was insignificant.

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  68. Sorry to disappoint you Wagner.

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  69. Renee,

    HE NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED BEING A TRANNY. THE ONLY EVIDENCE WE HAVE ABOUT THAT IS YOUR CLAIM ABOUT WHAT HE SAID. AS IF WHATEVER YOU SAY "MUST" BE TRUE?

    I DON'T THINK SO. THE TIDE IS TURNING AGAINST YOU RENEE. YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE TOO FIERCE IN PEDDLING YOUR AGENDA DISGUISED AS MORAL INDIGNATION AT BEING PLAYED BY HARLOW AND JOE.

    BUT NOW IT'S YOU WHO IS PLAYING US.

    GIVEN WHAT JAKESTER IS POINTING OUT ABOUT YOU, AND IN VIEW OF THE EXCHANGES BETWEEN PASTOR GEORGE AND THE ONE YOU REVILE, MOST OF US FEEL THAT THE JURY IS STILL VERY MUCH OUT ABOUT YOUR GENERAL CREDIBILITY AND YOUR MALICIOUS MOTIVATION IN SO SUDDENLY FOCUSING ON THE ONE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH BOTH HARLOW AND JOE THE DAY BEFORE THEIR ARRESTS.

    IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE MANY OF US THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO DEFLECT A FOCUS ON WHY AND HOW YOU RAN BOYBATTER.COM, RENEE.

    You are an evil and malicious person Renee and your false statements, hidden agenda and deliberately misdirecting reports are being seen for what they are.

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  70. It seems someone is VERY scared of what The Kruezer knows and/or who he's actually working for.

    Another mockery or trash talk site created by a material witness in the Kocis case is not only very weird as to circumstances and timing, the truth is, its making wild and unsubstantiated claims isn't going to change the equation. In fact it's just going to make a lot of us wonder WHO is so afraid of Kruezer and WHAT he really knows.

    I sense plans within plans here with Jakester and J. Chinchilla unwitting accomplices.

    Especially if The Kruezer is right in who he says PC really is, as he revealed in last night's confidential webcam chat.

    Best $50 I ever spent. Learned so much. And no, he's not a tranny or trying to become one. He thinks it's a sign of how desperate his enemies are to go that low. And he's right.

    Those calls from Pastor George to him sealed the deal in more ways than one.

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  71. Damon don't come over here with your bullshit. I don't want to hear it. you can fight your battles on your own blog.

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  72. kentie go check out your new site, no comments for you to leave there under your alias, as of tomorrow i start posting this site in every gay chatroom i can find. they will all know about you, no more victims for you and as you can see zenoble agreed with me, he told on your tranny ass.

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  73. ah i see jabba is back to posting.

    nobody believes a word he says.

    his lies, threats and attacks took care of that.

    fun times. i've seen them (bloggers) come, i've seen them go.

    ... and Elm returns too, but has nothing to say :(

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  74. I don't believe this "Renee" chick is who she says she is. Just the fact she's spending her time hatin on Damon when she should be preppin 4 her court appearance proves that. I checked her new site and there's not one hard fact there, not one criminal or civil case verdict against Damon, just a bunch of hooey put out by alters. Nobody cares.

    I also see that despite all the hate for no clear reason, Damon's site has gained the top position over his rival Vidioview in the Alexa ratings.

    I think there's a lesson here.

    Cute how Damon caught Kevin Clarke's model lying. How would he have his SSN and DOB and money order payment copies if the guy DIDN'T work for him and let him tap his ass?

    And yes, Jim IS a total asshole Elm!

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  75. Damon do you think you have kissed and made up with Elm? Not he would never got here so go some place else and trap someone else .


    Talked to harlow yesterday, says you have been sending him suck up letters on how you are so sorry for what you did to him. Should we get a copy of that kentie and post it on the internet?

    Leave elm alone or else more crap goes up about you on your new lozer site. I will put it all out there about your other operation last year kentie and you know it. Dont make me tell it, if you harass elm one more time i will put it in every chat room for all the boys to see, you will never ever get anyone to talk to you again, wanna try me?

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  76. Really Wagner?

    The only lies in this post or any other that you frequent are the ones you have continually told to make Robert Wagner look merely misunderstood and not involved.

    Julien nailed you in his post last year before he hung up his keyboard. You don't exactly get the best Housekeeping Seal of Approval from Elm; you argued with Chinchilla Jim about the CJ dubbed "Harlow Apology;" after the OUT article hit the newsstands, your version of the Plaza Hotel, NYC rooming arrangements was elaborated on and clarified by Sean Lockhart--he termed you the Kocis imposed kid handler and to ensure Sean's delivery to another room for after hours sex after Kocis' Moms and Dads after had retired to bed for the evening. Instead, you fed Sean drinks and sent him off for sex with a contemporary of yours; someone had Cad plead his case to PC; followed by himself to PC with the same BS; and let us not forget that Robert Wagner claimed for the longest time that Sean should now be 22--Sean is 21--blowing one of your pet arguments to Kingdom Come; the 3-way phoning scheme has been confirmed by PC, something that I knew of back when it was cccuring and so stated in posts from that point forward. Consistency.

    You have engaged in a pattern and practice of personal attack from the beginning. Anyone who has confronted you has been a target of your smear tactics. Fact is Wagner is on the hook, continues to be on the hook, will not be getting off the hook.

    His Bryan Kocis legacy is that of liar, thief, panderer, pimp, and purveyor that is what he gained from association with Bryan Kocis as well as a kick in the ass the King Cobra when Kocis gave him up in a Federal deposition.

    As for Renee, her testimony will have to be weighed against the facts brought out at the hearing by Mason Banks and Justin Hensley, the other two associates of Harlow and Joe no one has heard yet, save the state police and prosecutors. That is reality.

    The dog and pony show was entertaining but not highly informative.

    I have been anti Kent Barclay since last summer. Recently, I countered Barclay's BS against a US Supreme Court hearing with the actual report of the decision (7-2) upholding the PROTECT Act. I have two follow up articles pending with Dewayne, one of those detailing New York state's and NY Attoryney General Andrew Cuomo's move against ISP newsgroup that allow Child Pornography and the other the 3rd US District Court of Appeals hearing on a dated statute. This should be near and dear to you, the 3rd US District Court of Appeals is based in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

    You are actually smarter than your posts would imply. So you squander a brillant mind and a talent that could have helped many people with your medical knowledge. Instead, you come across as jealous and bitter of Sean Lockhart and his success in a career path that most would shy away from. Rather than check your losses and reformat yourself, you continue in blind loyalty to a dead man who was obviously cutting you loose from his association and "empire" with you and attempting to make you his scapegoat. Where, pray tell, is the logic in maintaining the pretense?

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  77. As for Barclay and his reporting accuracy, Barclay couldn't find his dick with a medical examiner, a spotlight, and a bloodhound to aid in the search.

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  78. jabba the child molester, your a perverted nutcase plain and simple.

    you have lots in common with jeffrey jr and ng. renee, jimmy elm and a few others know this to be true.

    your interest in child porn is now exposed.

    posing as a federal agent will not get you off the hook.

    you are a degenerate of the worst kind.

    as for pc and jim, they can not and will not backup your lies. very telling is that.

    i will elaborate another time when i feel like it.

    you will be exposed soon enough.

    as for the kocis murder, you know nothing, in that you are consistent.

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  79. "your interest in child porn is now exposed."

    the above should read:

    your ACTIVITES in child porn are now exposed.

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  80. Jabba the child molester says:

    "... one of those detailing New York state's and NY Attoryney General Andrew Cuomo's move against ISP newsgroup that allow Child Pornography and the other the 3rd US District Court of Appeals hearing on a dated statute."

    Your interest in the above is clearly obvious. So much about you makes sense now.

    Now you have been revealed as a paedophile, we can only hope the authorities are gathering enough evidence to use against you.

    Yours and your other perverted cohorts are trial cases I will blog about actively.

    As will many others.

    Now run to another blog and bitch about that and see where it gets you.

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  81. As for Renee, her testimony will have to be weighed against the facts brought out at the hearing by Mason Banks and Justin Hensley, the other two associates of Harlow and Joe no one has heard yet, save the state police and prosecutors. That is reality.


    No Rob, you are sadly mistaken, the only testimony i have to go against are thousands of recorded phone calls, there is no room for error when they were all recorded, and transcribed. So there is no matching testimony to anyone else , it is did you have this converstation, do you remember them saying this and on and on... Taped converstations dont lie, cant change them cant do shit to them, so now joe and harlow will have to live with them

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  82. Renee:

    Jabba the paedophile is not right in the head. He is a danger to society.

    Nothing he says can be taken seriously.

    He is clueless. He knows nothing.

    All he can do is rant and attack other bloggers to divert attention for his own evil perverted doings.

    His illegal activites are being monitored. I pointed him out to a REAL federal agent as we walked past him on the street.

    Rob WILL be exposed real soon on the blogs. It is only a matter of time now.

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  83. From today's KRUEZER AT NIGHT private newsletter to his confidential clients:

    Today marks a milestone in the history of responsible free speech on the Internet, and serves notice to those who think they can use any website or blog as a source of hate, defamation or slander that they will be called to account and required to prove their claims - or be shut down.

    Thanks to all of you who carefully monitor these hate sites and helped us to shut Ms. Martin's site down. This woman does not merit use or consideration as a material witness in any case, criminal or civil, because of her aberrant and abusive behavior in our view, and it seems, in most of your views as well.

    The question remains what is Ms. Martin trying to hide, or deflect attention from, by putting up such a smokescreen concerning THE KRUEZER when it was she, not THE KRUEZER, who has allegedly confessed to running Boybatter.com on behalf of H & J, and to running Harlow's donation website as well.

    Martin's unclean hands and hateful invective disqualify her from consideration or respect as a person, a blogger poster, or a website operator, much less as a material witness in a capital case.

    Join with us in writing D.A. Melnick at his published mailing address listed below to urge her disqualification and removal from the witness list as a result of her unacceptable behavior and outrageous false claims we have carefully documented.

    And remember this: Martin tried to claim some kind of special privilege as a material witness, and to say that any criticism or CEASE AND DESIST request was "witness tampering", but this was negated and declared null and void by the demonstrable fact she freely and consensually interviewed and talked with me in the June-September 2007 period...many months before being named as a material witness.

    Let the light of truth prevail, with strength and honor, as KRUEZER AT NIGHT now focuses on other illegal sites worthy of takedown and deletion. Martin's site was the second such success, bt it will not be the last.

    Do you hear me, DeWayne and Kevin Clarke and Dexx Jones?

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  84. Damon, Get real, like we dont know this Marcus charactor is you. You have claimed that this was your boyfriend before and I have the screen capes from your blog to prove it. No one ive a rats ass about you and I have the emails from several blogers top prove it. you are a liar and a fraud.

    You remind me of the fish that sucks up to sharks. you are worthless and no one believes any of your lies.

    why sdo you have to come to my blog to sread you propaanda about your self? Seems that if your blog is so high in the rankings you would niot have to do that.

    But I guess if you are the only one reading your shit for brains blog I guess you have to spread your lies where ever you can.

    It just won't be here so go away and leave me out of you strupid fight.

    I don't care that you need seual reassignment surgery. I don't care about you fight with Angle Skye. I don't care that you talked to Joe the day before they got arrested.

    You have nothing constructive to ad to this case other than the lies you have already told.

    I am not your friend nor do I want to have anything to do with your lying ass.

    I think I have been lied to by just enough people this year and I don't need to be lied to by you.

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  85. Bravo Elm that is awesome....

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  86. "I think I have been lied to by just enough people this year and I don't need to be lied to by you."

    Yep.

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  87. Cedric Harris, lies that were told to you that you presented as fact would make an excellent new post for your blog.

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  88. Rob aka "Jabba the paedophile" is backtracking YET AGAIN on other blogs. He nows says he wants to know the truth, that his past claims were only a "THEORY".

    Much like Grant 'CobraKiller' Roy, "Jabba the paedophile" crossed a line with me.

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  89. Really Wagner--

    You are a one hit wonder. You claim Sean and Grant are involved but No proof to date. Harlow and Joe in jail; Sean and Grant not in jail. Your unsubstantiated theory. You have been asked for proof many times and provided none. Wad shot, action over.

    As for Renee, who hired you to run Harlow's and Joe's business?

    Backtracking, no. I simply want to read the totality of the testimony and hear Renee in the context of Banks' and Hensley's testimony.

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  90. DK has certainly told Renee Martin to piss off by getting her hate site - and any others she might try to put up - taken down.

    I'd say it was Ree who's in a state of apoplexy.

    Could you explain why you believe it's a good idea for a witness in a capital case to go putting up hate blogs all about demonizing one person when her credibility at trial is at stake?

    Someone in this situation seems very very scared of what DK knows or has found out, thus the over the top efforts - all unsuccessful - to demonize and discredit him.

    Instead, the haters have made DK a genuine urban legend and part of Net mythology. I'm sure he's enjoying the prominence you've all given him as such a big target worthy of such concerted conspiratorial efforts.

    No wonder DK has confirmed he's fired off a certified letter to the D.A. along with followups today.

    Ms. Martin totally messed up in this situation, why don't you admit it?

    And from what I hear, there is no sex reassignment surgery any more than there's a fight with Miss Skye - both were manufactured to get publicity for the ones saying there was a fight, i.e. Ree and Angel.

    Get your head out of the sand Elm you have no idea what a certain person knows or how he found it out.

    But you will. Everyone will.

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  91. Rob the paedophile:

    Still ranting about RW eh :)

    Seems to me your afraid of RW.

    You presented various child pornography allegations agains RW - without backup naturally. Now you backtrack.

    Why?

    To disguise you own perverse interest. Your interest in child porn was noted many months ago.

    The investigation of your 'habits' began back then.

    You impersonated a federal agent. You used that guise for more than intimidation tactics online.

    You are found out.

    Rob the paedophile caught out online.

    I'll leave the rest of the known revelations about you to the authorities.

    Or maybe not.

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  92. Rob the paedophile gets called out on more lies by others.


    "I really don't see what your problem with the above facts are, Rob. I have to say, you are coming across as a bit of a nutcase."

    Rob is a paedophile. Enough said.

    "So Rob, you appear to be completely misrepresenting Renee's role as a key pro-prosecution witness here."

    Nothing new, he misrepresents everything and anything. Fucked in the head he is.

    AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.

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  93. For months now you are claiming other bloggers are investigated for this and that. Not one of your claims turned out to be true (just like all your other claims - the list is endless). Usually you do that when you are at a loss with your "argumentation".
    Now you are accusing someone with paedophilia. Dare to prove your claim? Or is it just another bullshit tirade of yours?
    I bet it's bullshit, no proof.
    Put me right, please!

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  94. is James Maurice ROBinson "Rob the paedophile"?

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/16/fugitive.bust/index.html

    If not, they'll catch him soon enough.

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  95. brynawel:

    research pays off.

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  97. You aren't even sure what Rob's real name is and yet you are accusing him of such a terrible crime?

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  98. I did not say it was Rob the paedophile, I asked if it was Rob the paedophile :)

    This does not mean his identity is not known.

    The point of that post was to demonstrate people like Rob paedophile get caught eventually.

    Odd you come here to defend this low life. Makes me wonder why.

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  99. Why did you delete the post I answered?

    Nevermind.

    No time for games today.

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  100. I just deleted one sentence, since am not able to present the prove. Your answer seems to fit anyway. Sorry for the irritation.

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  101. You still didn't provide me the proof that he is the "low life" that you are describing. And sorry, since you have been very lax with providing proof in the past, I will take everything you claim with a grain of salt. A big grain. A handful of salt.

    And since I don't agree with you, I am probably your next "low life", as you already hinted.

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  102. brynawel:

    "And since I don't agree with you, I am probably your next "low life", as you already hinted."

    i have no problem with you. we disagree, it is of no importance.

    i would not call someone i know nothing about a low life.

    i hint at nothing.

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  103. Renee--

    You come up with the Peter Pan moniker?

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  105. Wagner, I am a mandatory reporter by law.

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  106. Renee--

    You claiming to be a mere secretary? The court papers say business associate.

    PC does not back your witness status change. You claimed that was in the pipeline. Michael Melnick isn't changing your status.

    You are a material witness and the only one with a bail bond. You got problems with the state police and prosecutors. Don't like that state of affairs take it up with the prosecution and the judge who charged that order of the court.

    Just have to love the official court record.

    Do try spinning it. The court record is what it is Babycakes.

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  107. Ah Wagner "hints at nothing." Par for his course.

    Would that be because you have made a career out of being nothing but a gopher for a dead ephebophile?

    That about fits the bill.

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  108. Rob the paedophile:

    You have a problem.

    Nobody can take you at your word.

    Your proven lies are endless.

    You are a "nutcase".

    You have no credibility.

    Go cry and tell it to someone who gives a rats ass.

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  109. Brynawel--

    Wagner disagrees with me because I put him in Kocis' house or on Kocis' property at the time of the murder.

    Then he asked Renee Martin a question about the vehicle with NY tags and got an answer he was not expecting and did not like. See the Sons of Sam blog.

    Still working for Melody Wagner or did Melody kick you out of the empire?

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  110. Rob the paedophile:

    It is obvious I hit a nerve in you.

    You are now exposed as a paedophile.

    You were previously exposed as impersonating a federal agent.

    Your claims were proven as lies too.

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  111. Wagner--

    Look at PC's blog. Renee Martin's witness status has not changed.

    The only credibility you have to worry about is your own. Elm already has said you guys talked.

    Harlow and Joe: in jail and to be tried; Sean and Grant: not in jail and to testify.

    Wagner a gadfly looking for support anywhere he can get it.

    Where did you say Lance Evans was?

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  112. Really you seem to have back slided with that line of bull with Brynawel.

    But then your credibility is remarkably shody. You claimed Sean and Grant were involved. The BBT's don't bear you out.

    Ah then PC confirmed my claim all along that Elm was part of the 3-way phone scheme.

    The priceless one of yours that Sean should now be 22 proven FALSE, he is 21. What a shame!

    Your batting average sucks wind Wagner. Would have thought you could have better being a transplanted New Yorker.

    Your information is off.

    Worried about July 8 and 9. Should be you get questioned under oath by 3 sets of lawyers in front of a judge. Not a good place for you.

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  113. The dowager Queen of the Cobra stable doesn't what to play?

    We would like your answer about Lance Evans Wagner.

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  114. Actually, you are exposed as a lying shit for brains.

    I am a mandatory reporter.

    I am still here. Will be for a very long time.

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  115. Rob the paedophile:

    blah blah blah...

    heard it all before.

    nobody is interested. nobody believes a word you say.

    you are and always will remain...

    a proven liar.

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  116. Rob the paedophile:

    such anger. next you will display your rage :)

    "I am a mandatory reporter."

    LIAR.

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  117. Rob said...
    Renee--

    You claiming to be a mere secretary? The court papers say business associate.

    PC does not back your witness status change. You claimed that was in the pipeline. Michael Melnick isn't changing your status.

    You are a material witness and the only one with a bail bond. You got problems with the state police and prosecutors. Don't like that state of affairs take it up with the prosecution and the judge who charged that order of the court.

    Just have to love the official court record.

    Do try spinning it. The court record is what it is Babycakes.



    Rob eat shit and die, for some one that is suppose to be a reporter you should check your facts better with the actual record from teh court reporter before spewing vile from your mouth, you are starting to resemble damon alot these days, I have asked for a copy of the official court record and i will stuff it in your face when it comes out on the net you will be the biggest laughing stock on the internet, so keep your shit up , you will end up soaking your head in shit over this one.

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  118. Rob the paedophile is knee deep in shit.

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  119. Sorry Wagner--

    I am a mandatory reporter--that would not be a media reporter.

    You do seem angry.

    You really should try being calmer. It's better for your health.

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  120. I seem to recall similar crap in different vein when Julien called you out last year.

    Big deal.

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  121. Rob the paedophile:

    We all know what you are.

    Your using other bloggers names does not distract from this.

    Julien and I had no problems.

    Your research fails you - yet again.

    "nutcase".

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  122. Rob the paedophile:

    BTW, no anger here.

    Your the one who is found out.

    Your the one with anger.

    Your the one with rage.

    Your the one with a list of told proven lies miles long.

    Nobody agrees with you for a reason :)

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  123. Ah Wagner rewrites history.

    You are off subject Wagner.

    What proof do you have against Sean and Grant?

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  124. Wagner whines and stomps his foot.

    Whinning not a good quality of yours. Kocis did not like it.

    The other classic Wagner response to pressure--turn on his heel and walk out on Kocis.

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  125. Rob the paedophile:

    blah blah blah.

    your found out.

    deal with it.

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  126. Wagner

    You ran out of rocks. Too bad.

    Still can't explain Sean and Grant's criminal involvement wll that is because there is none.

    Just a basher because you have nothing else to offer and never did.

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  127. Rob get your lies straight I have never talked to Robert Wagner on the phone or had any contact with him. Your claims are wrong again.

    I emailed BB but never spoke to him on the phone. I did speak to you on the phone and I emailed you as well. I have the phone records to prove that as well as the emails.

    Rob you are a misguided lying sack of feces.

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  128. Elm--

    Thanks for confirming being in communication with him. Ah and Renee Martin too.

    I like you too Elm.

    Have a nice day.

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  129. I emailed BB but never spoke to him on the phone. I did speak to you on the phone and I emailed you as well. I have the phone records to prove that as well as the emails.

    True, but then I have never denied that have I which is not the point of BB's recent tirade here?

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  130. Very carefully Renee I am a mandatory reporter that would not be a media reporter.

    Do the math Babycakes. That's why you shouldn't rely on Wagner. He gets things very wrong.

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  131. Rob that is a out right untruth. You did deny that we had any phone or email contact. You stated that the only time I contacted you was when your father passed away.

    As to your allegations that I spoke to Robert Wagner you are wrong about that.

    I had email contact with BB, not Robert Wagner. You appear to have the two of them mixed up for some reason.

    I have never denied that I spoke to Renee Martin. I don't know where you got that idea.

    I will say this about you I do not think you are a pedophile. your interest in this case is of a different nature.

    As far as your claims about being apart of the federal investiation into the activities of the very dead Bryan Kocis that will be proven.

    You claimed that you were a federal officer and that you had been investiating this case for years.

    You mentioned the neighbor of Bryan's who told Brent Corrigan that he was not safe. Gladys Kravitz or Mrs. Hughes was a informant for the FBI in the investigation.

    You also mentioned the missing boys who you claimed that Bryan had something to do with there disappearences.

    You also mentioned the survilence system that Bryan had and you claimed that Robert Wagner witnessed the murder from a upstairs bedroom.

    As well as the mysterious car with the New York license plates. You have tried you damndest to make me out to be a liar yet it is you who have lied at every turn.

    I was lied to and given false information by you and several others in an attempt to make me believe this load of crap.

    The motive for this murder is a joke and it always has been. There is more to this than someone wanting to work with Brent Corrigan.

    If Joe and Harlow are convicted of this crime then so be it. I hope we will finally get the truth as to why Bryan was killed.

    In my opinion there are bigger fish to fry in this case and I do hope that the prosecution will get to the bottom of it.

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  132. Rob the paedophile:

    More of your LIES exposed.

    You are a sick twisted fuck.

    Attacking me does NOT save you face.

    You are far worse than those you attack.

    Your found out.

    A problem for you that now is.

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  133. Rob the paedophile:

    Your claiming now that Renee is in contact with Wagner.

    As usual you offer no proof.

    No end to your madness.

    LOL.

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  134. "I had email contact with BB, not Robert Wagner. You appear to have the two of them mixed up for some reason."

    The reason is simple.

    Rob the paedophile's job is to direct attention away from the guilty Sean and CobraKiller.

    For a while, you fell for it.

    Rob the paedophiles actions are exposed.

    There is a reason he knows so much about missing boys and child pornography.

    The authorities are taking care of that.

    I expect them to make a move real soon.

    Now I think you see more clearly.

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  135. Rob said...
    Very carefully Renee I am a mandatory reporter that would not be a media reporter.

    Do the math Babycakes. That's why you shouldn't rely on Wagner. He gets things very wrong.

    June 17, 2008 11:28 AM


    First asshole i am not your babycakes and wouldnt be if you paid me all the money in the world, i have seen what you look like jabba the hut, so go fuck off, and i dont give a shit about your wanna be reporter status or your wanna be fbi status, you are a habitual liar, you cant even decide where you work for the news or for the fbi. Whats the matter did the fbi get rid of your ass, for being a lozer like kentie.


    so Rob you admit to now being a mandatory reporter:

    Mandatory reporters — those people required by law to report child
    abuse — are a crucial link in the system to protect children. Seventyfour
    percent (74.7 %) of reports come from mandatory reporters. In
    many cases those community members are the only people outside
    the immediate family to see babies or small children.

    So you are also a pedophile like NG and kentie? YOu are a sick bastard.

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  136. Renee I think you should be very careful about calling KB a pedofile. Unless you can point to a specific court case or sex offender registry with his name, DOB, SSN and details of offense, you are merely throwing mud on the wall hoping some will stick to deflect attention from some very big holes in your motivations and past actions.

    Many of us are wondering what exactly you and KB talked about several times, which you have admitted to doing.

    And I hear Harlow's latest letter is gonna be posted on a number of sites about July 6th or 7th.

    I guess KB is prepping for some bombshell that's gonna help Harlow, what can it be?

    I hear it won't come directly from KB it will come from a secondary source for plausible deniability reasons.

    Since KB is a former NSA agent according to some in the know I guess that makes sense.

    No wonder Rob and KB are talking amongst themselves.

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  137. put a sock in it kuntie.

    nothing will block your final exposure.

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  138. "I was lied to and given false information by you and several others..."

    LOL, I guess you now know how it feels like, eh?

    And the phrase "several others" clearly includes Harlow and Joe now, as I'm sure you finally realize.

    You know, it's funny...practically the only person who has never lied to you this whole time is me, Elm.

    And I was practically the one person this whole time you steadfastly refused to believe. Ironic, no?

    Oh well, alls well that ends well, I say!

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  139. Marcus Holstrom said...
    Renee I think you should be very careful about calling KB a pedofile. Unless you can point to a specific court case or sex offender registry with his name, DOB, SSN and details of offense, you are merely throwing mud on the wall hoping some will stick to deflect attention from some very big holes in your motivations and past actions.

    Many of us are wondering what exactly you and KB talked about several times, which you have admitted to doing.

    And I hear Harlow's latest letter is gonna be posted on a number of sites about July 6th or 7th.

    I guess KB is prepping for some bombshell that's gonna help Harlow, what can it be?

    I hear it won't come directly from KB it will come from a secondary source for plausible deniability reasons.

    Since KB is a former NSA agent according to some in the know I guess that makes sense.

    No wonder Rob and KB are talking amongst themselves.


    NSA my ass, you have got us all rolling on the floor laughing our asses off, if you are gonna lie atleast make it believeable. will ya

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  140. "You know, it's funny...practically the only person who has never lied to you this whole time is me, Elm."

    and me.

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  141. The FACT remains, Jabba told Cedric what he wanted to hear.

    I always said Elm was a puppet. Elm played to the hilt.

    And we ALL know who pulls Jabbas strings.

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  142. Get it all out of your systems people because I really don't give a fuck about this case anymore.

    To many lies and too much bullshit.
    If Joe and Harlow are found guilty it is their own fault.

    My main question to all of you is why did any of us et involved in this mess.

    What have we gained? What have we really learned?

    I will tell you what I learned from all of this. There is more bullshit and lies reardin this case than anyone can fathom.

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  143. Cedric:

    re all the lies you were told and presented as fact...

    i told you so :)

    online alliances you made - you called those people friends.

    they stabbed you in the back and left you out in the cold. that is called being played. told you this long long ago.

    but no, you had to go do your BS online.

    where are those who egged you on? it was more than just Jabba.

    i knew this would blow up in your face, others did too. we tried to warn you. you refused to listen.

    now your exposed for being the IDIOT that you are.

    BUT, its not all doom and gloom.

    you finally came clean and stopped playing the others games.

    for that, you are to be congradulated.

    you know my reason for blogging about this saga. NOW maybe you will believe me. coz it really IS that simple.

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  144. "To many lies and too much bullshit."

    yes. your posts were full of lies and BS.

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  145. then Jabba your 'friend' outted you.

    what do you think of Jabba now?

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  146. after all your lies Cerdric, why do you not have the balls to answer my questions?

    pathetic.

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  147. "What have we gained? What have we really learned?"

    you gained nothing.

    i gain nothing from blogging on this subject.

    you learned nothing.

    i learned your a liar.

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  148. BB said:

    now your exposed for being the IDIOT that you are.

    BB dont you think this is a little bit much, there is nothing that makes Elm this and believe you have over stepped that boundary. Elm is a good guy that was given information and he reported it thinking it was the truth , others of us believed it also, does that make us all idiots? We beleived them because they wanted everyone to believe there story that they were innocent. Why is someone an idiot for trying to believe that there is good in people and not the nasty hate crime that they could of possibly committed.

    Just my opinion, but Elm i am right there with you in the idiot pen, for I believed more then you did/

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  149. BB you seem think that I am a idiot. Well the fact of the matter is you were just as caught up in the lies.

    You believed that Sean was of age. Well you were wrong about that as well all of the other shit you have claimed.

    So you can call me a puppet if you like but I will tell you this you will be surprised by my next post.

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  150. renee, dont take what i say to elm to heart, he and i have gone back and forth times :)

    he was lied to about me. many told him i was robert wagner. he ran with that. all he did was attack me and make what he now knows is false accusations.

    yes elm was an idiot, he checked out nothing and simply took the wrong people at their word. that caused lots of blog drama. elm made no apology for it.

    now that we are closer to the truth being revealed, many of us are saying "told you so".

    the fact is, elm did it to himself.

    i did congradulate him for realizing joe and harlow lied to him.

    hmmm your right, idiot was a bit strong. it is difficult to HEAR words in the way they are meant.

    i meant it as in "you freakin idiot" playfully.

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  151. BB thank you for fixing that error in the term idiot, believe me i dont need to be called it to feel like i am one for being taken by Joe and Harlow..... Idiot in my case seems like not enough, but then they always did do a good con job from what i hear.

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