The king and the Prince or Gay, Sex, Lies and video discs
I have been following the saga of the Brent Corrigan/Bryan Kocis fight for quite sometime and it just got uglier by the day until it finally culminated in murder. The cast of characters is quite interesting to say the least. This is a story full of intrigue and scandal. It features porn stars and porn directors and male escorts and porn studios and sex and kiddy porn and lies that you would not believe, what more could you ask for. It seems it all started with a simple lie about ones age and progressed to murder.
When our anti-hero Prince Brent of Cobra told the King/director/producer that he lied about his age there was a meltdown in communication on their part.
The under age Brent had a knight in shinning armor come to his rescue and then there was a war of words in the small gay land called Juicygoo. Because of this war Juicygoo soon became a battleground of insults and accusations and innuendo against and by the warring camps. They consisted of the Sean Camp which was lead by their fearless leader the Cobra Killer and his alter ego Casey Cain and the Cobra Camp with the knight Bio Boi who was Vanquished only to return as Truth be told who was a self proclaimed defender of King Cobra.
This fight was about the use of the name and web persona of Brent Corrigan the former Prince of Cobra. Who was forged from the depths of a hidden hell called Cobra Video. Brent defected from Cobra Video to start his own Principality called LSG Media but was stopped at every turn by his former mentor the one and only King Cobra.
At every turn their efforts were squashed. This in turn caused serious anger problems with the Cobrakiller and he made spurious threats about the destruction of the land of Cobra. Cobra was a well-liked land because of the young and nubile subjects that lived there. These subjects were ruled under the firm hand of the King and were forbidden to speak unless agreed to by the King. But some had a different opinion of the King and this was in large part due to the constant attacks by the Cobrakiller who shouted from the highest mountain in the land of Juicygoo all the nasty things he could about the King of Cobra. This angered the King and he went to the authorities of Justice and had them file a writ of civility against the land of Sean Camp.
Meanwhile in the land of Boybatter there was a Knight called Stud wonder 
that with his King MJT wanted to align with the Sean Camp and merge their forces to bring down King Cobra and reap the vast rewards of such a collaboration.
They had several secret meetings via the electronic super highway and decided to meet in the fabled land of Las Vegas where they had a round table conference in Castle Le Cirque.
This secret meeting was held and there was an agreement made as per the Decree from the land of Boybatter to their loyal subjects. This decree stated that they would be working together with the Prince of Sean Camp and all would be well and prosperous. Well back to the Authorities of Justice, they helped the King of Cobra file an injunction against Sean Camp to stop all revenues for their Principality. This writ caused Sean Camp serious financial hardship and brought them to the settlement round table humbled and defeated. King Cobra was pleased that he had the land of Sean Camp in his grasp but there was a much more sinister plot brewing as they struggled to come to a treaty. You see Sean Camp had lied to the subjects of Boybatter and was using them as leverage to get the King of Cobra to be more lenient with them in the treaty. The treaty was delayed on several occasions by Cobra Killer who was not pleased with the idea of submitting to the King of Cobra. Cobrakiller had been on a mission to destroy the land of Cobra and all it stood for from the very beginning and wanted nothing to do with the King. Cobra killer is rumored to have set a plan into motion that would have Boybatter do his bidding to destroy the land of Cobra Video and the land of Seam Camp would be free and clear to resume taking in revenue from there subjects. Meanwhile Cobrakiller would send a contract to the land of Boybatter to seal the deal but all the whole time it was a trap to get the rulers of the land of Boybatter to confess on secret video surveillance to there crimes of destroying the land of Cobra.
The Cobrakiller would run to the authorities of Justice and tell his tale of whoa and get them to imprison the rulers of Boybatter for attacking the land of Cobra. Little did the Cobrakiller know there was a traitor in there midst? The traitorous Knight, Merlin of Bergeron who while appearing to be on the side of Sean Camp was secretly working with the land of Cobra. And was being put in a position of ultimate rule. Once the Kingdom of Boybatter was removed from worry after their attack on the Land of Cobra,
Merlin of Bergeron would take over Sean Camp. Merlin would become the supreme leader-leaving Prince Brent and his Knight Cobrakiller trapped yet again under the thumb of an imperious leader who cares not for their well being. And now our fallen fighters are in another struggle for their lives as the information superhighway is filled with various tales of their lies and deceptions. We all must stay tuned for the conclusion to this saga, as it is better than TV.
Well written. Very cute.
ReplyDeleteElmysterio, I applaud you! What a tale, full of twists and turns, mystery and suspense, heroes and villians and yes, even a "damsel in distress"... or "dude in distress", as in this case.
ReplyDeleteExcellent post, Elm! Excellent!!!
I bow to my readers thank you very much.
ReplyDeleteForgot to mention, those pictures of Grant and Lee... priceless!! Grant had curly hair as a teenager - who woulda thunk it? No idea where you found them, but that was pure genius!
ReplyDeleteThere's a reason it's called "fiction," Boys and Girls.
ReplyDeletegreat mr elms .... another great post ... with some choice words and pics ... hae the o'd merlin or b is a bit of a spunk ... i'd pay 19.95 to see what he's up too
ReplyDeletelovin ya elms
the names were changed to protect the innocent
ReplyDelete.... oops no innocents there anyway
hey marc what do you have to say now. or will you be Yves this time I see you out there lurking. you are really not that slick. I saw the post you left on juliens blog
ReplyDeleteIt does make ya wonder what the behind the scenes mechanisms Lee has had a hand in :-
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know more about Lee (other than that ski bungle)?
you really don't want to know all the mess he has been involved in. to much to really go in to. It would be easier to ask what he is not involved in.
ReplyDeleteSean must have been soooo desperate to get away from Bryan/get his own thing going to hook up with such bad guy
ReplyDeleteDear Mr. MYSTERIASS,
ReplyDeleteI am not Yves I am Marc. When are you going to get that thru yer head? Check the IPs its obvious we are 2 diff ppl. Let me guess anyone who has a nice or fair thing to say about Damin "must" be Damin or an alias? PLEASE BITCH Get over it!
1 Now about Damin's Harlow interview the date of which you keep trying to say he's shifty about, NOT SO. Damin has said all along he interviewed Harlow on May 14, the day before the arrests, May 15. Probly the cops moved in as a direct result of somethings Harlow said in the interview. It's all right there. So stop playing stupid Mr. E. Mysteriass, huh?
2 Why shouldnt Harlow have sent the raw footage to Damin? DK has worked as a video editor and its clear Harlow and Damin hit it off. (I hear Harlow was very turned on by Damin's voice and personality and what he told him he wanted to see Harlow do in his next video, HAWT!). So after all the equipment was taken by the cops in the Feb. raid I think Harlow & Joe needed some editing help to get a releasable DVD out of all of what Damin says is "foreplay and behind the scenes". So what's the prob with thinking this might well be true? Can you prove Harlow DIDNT send him the raw footage? Can ya?
3 Damin is a computer security expert who also makes videos on the side who worked with B. Kocis 1st as a consultant then they became close friends. As a Microsoft certified prof he would normally get the beta (testing) copies of all new versions of Windows Vista 1-3 months ahead of the 1/30 retail date. He could easily have gotten Vista Ultimate with BitLocker in December just like he says. So once again what youre tryin to use to poke holes doesnt hold up.
4 Damin has ppl in San Fran who came up with the Falcon material which is 100% verified. He never said that he personally or his business was there so your phony link means nothing. i think that his ppl will come up with who you really are Mr. Mysteriass and then Damin will decide what to do with it. All verified and confirmed natch.
5 the emale address webmaster@boybatter.com was working up until May 15 maybe a few days after. Of course its not workin now the Feds seized the accounts and blanked them. Once again Mr. Mysteriass your bias is showing in tryin to find significance in that its not workin now but ignoring the fact it was working prior to May 15 which is when the emails between Damin and Harlow happened. Any more dumb questions Mysteriass?
El Mysterio U come across as someone so envious of all the attention Damin has got, you want some attention by attacking him without just cause.
P.S. It's well known in p**nland that Damin's haters pulled a lot of s**t themselves and then blamed Damin for it using email addys like damonkreuzer@yahoo.com. Everybody knows Damin never used a Yahoo address why should he, he uses only his domain webmail adresses and he always spells everything right, esp. his name. Yet some dumb ppl have pointed to the obvious phony Yahoo email as "proof" Damin did this or that, and keep in mind ppl like Dexx Jones even tried to spoof his IP address.
Oh by the way Dexx Jones is posting here and on Julien's as SethJ. Jones is such a sociopath his style is sooooo obvious.
Thats it becuz that answers all the stupid questions you have put forward in trying to tear down D. Kruzer one of the nicest guys who ever topped me and pumped the cream right out of me.
Jealous much bitches? You know U are.
So Mysteriass do you have the balls to answer my points tit for tat or are ya gonna make some bitchy comment and avoid the issues? I dare ya! Lotsa ppl. watching yer answer 4sure.
This is Marc i am 21 y.o. and im outta here.
Mark take a look on my blog and look at the post 4 above you most recent diatribe. Notice that I knew you were coming here to make a post do you want to know how I knew? You made a post on Juliens blog and you came here to post on my blog and I set a trap for you because you can't resist blowing your own horn. I closed the comments on all the other posts. oh yeah and you checked them all too. I knew you would have to post here and you did. You fell for my trap Mr Luezer hook line and sinker. Oh yeah I included your name in the post as well. Do you know why? So if someone does a Internet search they will now and forever know the truth about you. You are a fake and a fraud. you are truly certified but it aint in computers. So Marc/Damon/Yves or what ever iteration you are going by know how does it feel to be totally played? You have done it to so many for so many years and now it is payback time. Oh yeah I'm done with you, finished and so are my readers. We care not for you and wish you the best in your new endeavors. Thank you now go away.
ReplyDeleteyours truly Elmystriass
If I were really new here and I read that I would say Marc is 15 and on Meth. As it is though,...well, I guess we all know better.
ReplyDeleteI would never correct BB or Voch or any one else on somthing as human as a common misspelling. I make speling errors too and I have actually taught at the college level (community college, part time, 20 years ago, two semesters, no big deal.) For someone that occasionally passes themselves off to be a 'professor', I would suggest one thing,......spell check.
Oh Oh I am excited Seth J if you are Dexx Jones will you be starting Tommy Socks.com back up I loved that site! Checked it regularly for all things WACKO Demon was up to.Dexx Jones forever! marc aka DK said,,,,I hear Harlow was very turned on by Damin's voice and personality HAHA ROTFLMAO Your Narcissism is Hysterical! Do Tell DK do all these people that "live in your head" talk at once or take turn's? Is there a pecking order. What we have so far Elm? The Prof (who can't spell) Marc(who can't spell)Yves Mignon(who can't spell or make any sense) and then DK The self described Computer "Expert" who has a website that looks like it was posted on a Win 95 Box circa 1996!
ReplyDeletePROF says,
ReplyDeleteHoward says, "The self described Computer "Expert" who has a website that looks like it was posted on a Win 95 Box circa 1996!"
PROF says, "That would have been a Win 96 Box in 1996. Gotcha didn't I Howard? That will teach you to question the professor."
Ok people the dk discussion group is now closed. if we ignore him maybe he will go away.
ReplyDeletedamon don't do it we know you are out there
ReplyDeleteDamon I know your there lurking in the cyber shadows. you can't hide from me.
ReplyDeletehe gets funnier all the time ... or is that sicker ... yeah ok its a worry - lets not encourage this wanker ... good on ya elms
ReplyDeleteIt's like watching a train wreck.
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.georgetownlawjournal.org/
ReplyDeleteissues/pdf/95-2/gilden%5B1%5D.pdf
Basically the summery of the 23 page document published by the Georgetown Law Journal states that unless the California Supreme Court significantly reverses their current stance and precedent relative to adult entertainment contracts, Cobra Video's lawsuit against Lockhart wouldn't have had a "Chinaman's Chance in Hell" in holding up in ANY California Court of Law, NO MATTER HOW LIBERAL!
Chance on that happening in todays current political climate? Not on your fucking life!
As the arrogant asshole Bryan Kocis always used to love to claim, "ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!"
GOODNIGHT ROBERT... AARON... BB, PLEASANT DREAMS!
Since you and many others so affectionately insist on referring to me as the "Cobrakiller", I assume I have no other choice but to covet and embrace the title?
Until next time,
THE COBRAKILLER!
Very good blog post, Elm. It is amazing how all these "characters" in this sordid tale fit rather well into a fairy tale type story. Although, I don't see many, if any, of them having any sort of fairy tale ending.
ReplyDeleteDo have a read at the link Grant posted from the Georgetown Law Review and feel free to make your own conclusions to their "review" of this case. As I just posted on BB's blog, one thing stuck out at me immediately upon initial reading, which causes one to wonder how accurate this review is if they got a very important fact wrong.
A repost of my comment from BB's:
Interesting read in the Georgetown Law Review, although I do note one glaring error in their "review."
They say, "The facts of the case are such that even the most liberal of courts would, at the very least, take pause at enforcing the terms of the contract. The contract provided that Lockhart, who was only 17 years old at the time, 33 would perform in six “action video scenes” 34 and one “non-action” video scene in consideration for a used Volkswagen Jetta, a set of tires and rims, transportation costs, car insurance, and gas money."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the contract which included the stipulations that this review discusses signed by Sean on July 18, 2005?
Wouldn't that have made Sean 18 years old when he signed that contract, not 17? Reviewing the contract signed by Sean back in 2004, when he claims he was only 17 years old, I notice the language and stipulations are extremely different and nowhere near as explicit as what is discussed in Georgetown's review.
I'm not saying the Georgetown Law Review of this case is wrong, only that it makes one pause at their conclusion when they get their "facts" wrong.
I think that it is clear to all now, just what the porn industry has had to deal with in cyber-stalker/terrorist Kent Barclay. You can now see why RAD closed their forums, why Atkol banned him for life and will not allow the mention of his name. His lying is pathological. He thinks that the way you cover a lie is with a more outrageous one. His stock in trade is to insult, degrade and fantasize. He can produce no facts to prove anything he says. He cannot for instance say where he is a professor. He can't because he is not one. Lets look at reality a close inspection of the eviction documents shows his mother plaintively saying He is my son he has no job I have to let him stay here. That is the reality. That he is not a college professor, that he is a deadbeat 57 YO man living off and draining the life out of his mother so he could pursue his cyber terrorism. Just imagine how insane it is to be the cause of having your own mother lose her home of 18 years, force her to commit perjury, to provide forged documents to the court, then try and yell at the court for not believing him. Anyone see a pattern here, tell a lie ,tell another one, then yell at the person who does not believe you? Would a computer security expert and college professor be seen as the eviction proceedings so clearly state "hiding in the woods" when repairmen came to his mothers apartment? Would a computer security expert and college professor be hiding in the bathroom of a welfare motel room gotten for his mother from a process server? What kind of man has an 83 YO women answer the door for him? Kent you keep referring to testifying as if you had anything of value to say, just what are you going to say when asked on the stand did you forge documents(A lease and rent receipts} for 24843 Del Prado # 210 Dana Point CA 92629 (a rental mailbox)when you lied to the court about that being your primary residence? Are you going to scream DEXX JONES,MARK ADAMS,MATT RUSH,ELMYSTERIO,THE HATERS,THE TELETUBBIES? This one instance crystallizes who and what you are. You tried to bully a senior citizens complex and it's residents and cost your mother her home of 18 years. There was no one there but you. They evicted, you were on the street. The fantasy that you really are a computer security expert, and a college professor is no doubt more pleasing, but it is just the product of a very deranged man with no shame even to the point of having his own mother evicted. You state things like it is well known in pornland that people used yahoo email accounts to discredit damon. Another lie. No one has ever said that but you. It is well known that you said that yes, but no one but you believed it, just another lie. Your microsoft lies are just that lies. No computer expert would recommend to a client that they turn over their computers to a Beta version of anything, much less an operating system. You say you are an editor, can you point us to an editing credit of yours?
ReplyDeletetoday you are claiming to be a 21 yo who says about Kent "Thats it becuz that answers all the stupid questions you have put forward in trying to tear down D. Kruzer one of the nicest guys who ever topped me and pumped the cream right out of me." Again as absurd as that is on the surface just what would that have to do with anything? Where is this long line of people who think Kent is a nice guy? There certainly is a long list of people who think he is a despicable human being. You have made many more people who had never heard of you join the list of those see you for what you are. A pathetic 57 year old man with no job, who abuses everyone in sight even his own mother because he cannot deal with the reality that he made nothing of his life. All he did was dream of great things that he never was able to achieve, and blame everyone else for his failures and in his self hate tries to destroy others by any means possible because then he feels better about himself. He feels that he has power and that he is a “major force”. You are and always will be on the outside looking in. By the end of this week your dream of media stardom will have crumbled, fitting on the anniversary of your eviction. Then it won’t be long before you are called to account for all the new lies, the attempting to manufacture evidence in a murder case. Affecting people’s ability to get a fair trial, and trying to implicate people who have told you to take a hike with emails that were never sent. Your trying to latch onto a dead man to both lie and cover your lies for you, while not out of character for a mother abuser, it is beyond bounds of decency. Finally you will have your own address and it will be in Walpole. PS I am not Dexx Jones, as ELM can tell you. You see I made clear to him who I was and he is fine with that. REMEMBER JUNE 5TH. WASHINGTON AVE LIBERATION DAY!!!
As I read the Law Journal, it concludes that it is inconsistent for California to support the adult industry and reap it's rewards while at the same time suggesting a higher level of probity.
ReplyDeleteThe article opines that there will be "grave consequences" for the state it it fails to support the enforceability of adult industry contracts.
The real issue is the general one of enforcing contracts for personal services - including non-porn related ones.
Whichever tendetious view one takes of the article it is juries and judges that decide cases - not academics. I also seem to recall, but may be mistaken, that LSG tried to have the Cobra case thrown out at an early stage because of enforceability, capacity to contract etc. The judge did not agree and set the matter for trial.
Even old laws change and evolve.
It all most certainly academic now.
That being said isn't it mentioned somewhere that LSG gave Harlow/Boybatter.com a contract? Was it worth the paper it was written on?
Oh and perhaps we should have a level playingfield by all posting out teenage pics !! I bet we all now wish we had listened to our parents about getting our hair cut.
Great post. Peter Jackson should direct the movie. Andy Serkis would play Bryan K, of course.
ReplyDeleteWhich actors should be cast in the other roles?
Kevin Spacey has my vote for the role of Bryan and the guy from Mysterious Skin would be an excellent Brent.
ReplyDeleteCad - I didn't draw the conclusion from the law article that Grant did either.
ReplyDeleteElm - What's the point of closing off comments on the previous page about DK only to revive the whole boring mess here?
On another topic, I've gone through the affidavit again to compare the order of events to Elm's timeline, and discovered something I can't recall being noted or discussed:
Wagner and Macias both told police shortly after the murder that they recalled the model's name beginning with 'D.'
Police interviewed Cobra's webmaster on 1/29, and received the 'Danny Moilin' e-mails and model applications. The affidavit doesn't say specifically that they were received on 1/29, only that the interview took place then - but it would make sense that police got them on 1/29 or very quickly.
Why then would police release the name 'Drake' with the photo on 2/2? They already knew the alias used was 'Danny Moilin,' and probably that it was not a valid identity. So why 'Drake?'
Perhaps Bryan knew that 'Danny Moilin' was a fake name, but mistakenly believed that the real name was 'Drake' (or similar). The name Wagner and Macias tried to recall was not 'Danny' but rather one that Bryan had related as who he thought really was coming. This might also explain H/J's comments in SD that they thought Bryan knew Harlow was not 'Danny Moilin.'
But if so, where did Bryan come up with 'Drake?'
My own experience of Bryan was that he assigned names to potential models very early on and sometimes even before he met them. This certainly occurred on one occasion that I can recall.
ReplyDeleteIt seems quite possible that in all Bryan's own records and his diary he referred to Harlow as Drake. I don't think there was any subtefuge by the police in using that name.
As to why Bryan chose the name Drake - I have no idea, though the names usually tied in with someone he liked e.g. Brent was named after Brent Everett and his own alias Bryan Phillips was named after Ryan Phillipe.
I wasn't suggesting subterfuge. It's just that initially I'd thought the 'D-name' Wagner/Macias had tried to recall turned out to be 'Danny,' but closer examination makes that seem unlikely.
ReplyDeleteWould Bryan have used his own alias for a model in communication with both Wagner and Macias, without their realizing it? Wouldn't they have mentioned this to police?
Nice casting, Cad. Spacey would make an excellant Bryan K. He's totally gay in real life and has an evil streak in bed, so I've heard. Yes, Joey Gordon-Levitt would make a good Brent.
ReplyDeleteWho would play Grant?
I nominate Hayden Christensen for the role of Aaron Phelps.
Oh yeah.. Ryan Phillipe for the role of Harlow Cuadra.
ReplyDeleteJ-bee there would be no need for Bryan to tell anyone the model's real name unless he was checking out if they knew of them.
ReplyDeleteAnyway in porn seeing a pic is more relevant than a name. Infact I recall one of LSG's models applying to him under a different name and Bryan sent me the pic for my opinion on whether it was the same guy.
Otherwise he'd just say things like "I'm seeing a new model from Orlando I think I'll call him Carter"
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These casting ideas sound great but can't we get Ryan Reynolds in somewhere? Tom Kavennah (from "Ed") for Lee.
He'd just say things like "I'm seeing a new model from Orlando I think I'll call him Carter"
ReplyDeleteYes, exactly. So if Wagner/Macias had told police Bryan was seeing a new model from the Allentown area and was going to give him a name they didn't recall, but started with a D... there would be no reason for police to ask you if 'Drake' meant anything (as I believe you mentioned they had), or to release 'Drake' publicly later.
Maybe Bryan challenged Harlow in one of their phone calls, saying there was no record of a Moilin family in the area, and Harlow responded with a second alias: Drake. It could be a simple as that.
as to the question of the timeline I will update it. I have just been a little busy lately.
ReplyDeleteas for allowing post on other threads I have fixed that. I blocked them so that Damon would know that I knew he was lurking on my blog and H could only post his psychotic ramblings in one place. even after I set a trap for him. I think he is gone for now. at least I hope so. As for the cast in the movie.
the players
Sean/Brent.....Jesse McCartney
Grant/Casey/CK.Michael keaton
Bryan Kocis....Kevin Spacey
Harlow Cuadra..Joey Lawrence
Mark/Joe/Trent.Mark Wahlberg
Aaron/Robert...joseph Gorden Levit
Lee Bergeron...Emilio Estevez
I think that is inspired casting
you can check out pictures and resumes at Http://www.imdb.com
Yeh, forgot about Mark Wahlberg and Michael Keaton for Grant is just terrific.
ReplyDeleteBest thing is most people should be flattered by their actor. I need to look up that Jesse guy though.
Wonder if we can fit in Fred Dalton if he doesn't become the next President. Given the conspiracy theories Kevin Costner must have a cameo role.
Jesse McCartney is brent/sean he is perfect even looks like him
ReplyDeleteOMG Elm.. don't get started with Jesse. I might have to do a Jessepalooza on my blog now. Damn you!
ReplyDeleteAnd who would play KB/DK???
ReplyDeleteDK will be played by Andy Serkis.
ReplyDeleteDK/Andy Serkis while hovering over his keyboard, "my precious!!"
ReplyDeleteNope Rip Torn would be better as DK he has that wicked derranged look.http://imdb.com/name/nm0001800/
ReplyDeleteFirst of all DK has no part in this other than something that had no effet on any of the participants. While he might like to think he is part of the story he was not and is only trying to use a dead man as a stepping sotne. Secondarily DK does not do personal appearences. The so called industry insider has never been to an industry event. Thirdly you would need an aging Jaba the hut with no teeth and someone to play jaba's mother.
ReplyDeleteYou just can't resist posting about him, can you? You're hysterical and obsessed little girls. You were wrong about prof (just as you're wrong about me). You closed down the last thread when you had to admit being wrong about prof. You looked like complete idiots. No wonder why you took your marbles, closed down the thread and went home to cry. Just keep on rehashing the same old tired sllegations about him even though it has no relevance whatsoever to this murder case. I hope he gets you shut down for violating Google's TOS. As I said before, some of the age-old bashers seem to be nastier and more irrational than the "bashee" is alleged to be.
ReplyDeleteYves or who ever you are this week, my posts are all open and you can post on any one of them. I really don't know what you are talking about. one fact is for sure though I still have all my marbles but seem to be missing allot of yours. Go drink your coffee and read a book. Do it fast because the library will be closing soon. I know you are lurking in cyberspace and planning your next stalker move. so enjoy yourself while it lasts Because when I talk to OUT magazine the truth will be told. And then we shall see who runs home and hides in mommies bathroom. Damon you do realize that I am using your name now and if you do a search now you come up and my blog is listed and all your lies are there for the world to see. Oh and they are reading it as proof of my alexa rating. which I might add is double that of yours. Now who is laughing?
ReplyDeleteEl Myst, so you're talking to OUT too? They must be SWAMPED with emails, just like that TV station in Virginia that now admits they foolishly ran the DK piece. I doubt that any reference to The Luezer will ever see the light of day.
ReplyDeleteAs of this writing, both www.cobravideo.com and www.brentcorriganxxx.com appear to be gone. I wonder if they will be back.
ReplyDeletePerhaps they're just down for maintenance or perhaps a sale of the company has taken place.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Good to see Filet Mignon is back again ;)
ReplyDeleteKent,
ReplyDeleteIf you think the issue of you being a liar, a forger, and forcing your mother to commit perjury and lose her home do not go directly to your credibility you are mistaken. Again you state you are going to testify in court. Please explain how long you will last when evidence of your forgery and perjury is shown? Sadly the fact is the defense can not call you because it knows that you have no credibility and they also know of the other lies you have told. It is not going away Kent as much as you like to call people haters this is not hate; this is payback. As you have always said KARMA BABY. P.L.U.R.
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ReplyDeleteElM, I note that several commenters still seem to be under the impression that I am DK, an impression that you originally created. As you know now, and as you have admitted in a back-handed way, this impression is false. If you are an honorable person, you should make an explicit statement that your original accusation was false so that others do not continue to rely upon it in accusing me of being DK.
ReplyDeletefor almost two weeks i have not been accused of being any of the players in this mess. now the cobrakiller is back to calling me aaron LOL.
ReplyDeletelisten up cobrakiller, you gave that name to yourself, as it turned out, you are indeed a cobrakiller. be i arron, max, john, or whoever, it does not change anything you dumb fuck. you are pure evil.
tell me, what does your family think of their PRECIOUS cobrakiller? i know the local press has been in contact with them, did they have anything to say about their perverted child? lastly, you planning on having anyone else killed? if so, who?
thanx :)
prof, ignore it if your not DK. it is not unusual to be accused on here of being someone you are not.
ReplyDeletebb,
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect... and I'm certainly not intereseted in taking sides... but let's wait for the trial, witness list, etc... before pointing fingers.
So far the only suspected 'killers' are Harlow and Joe... if the name list expands... so be it, and then there's a rightful cause for the allegations being made.
I have said that you were not DK.
ReplyDeleteWhat the other posters think I have no control over. The other posters based their opinions on your statements. Not anything that I said.
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ReplyDeleteallburp we are all well aware that king cobra is gone, the cobrakiller made sure of that.
ReplyDeleteyou people really need to stop dancing on a dead mans grave. actaully no don't. you and your cohorts keep showing your true colors. it will be your downfall at the end of the day :)
your disgusting. go back to your kiddie porn.
BB, please believe me. i am being totally honest. I was thinking as a Texan. Once I posted that, I realised my mistake. I wasn't wrong, I was being too accurate and did not mean to be. I immediatly called Elms and asked him to delete it.
ReplyDeleteYou know I will be harsh on some subjects but this one was over the top and was totally unintentiol.
I'm sorry you saw it. Elm and I reacted as quick as we could. For this one I sincerely apologize.
From Texas, Albert
BB I did delete it as soon as albert called. Sorry you had to see it. You can understand that some things we write when we don't think about what we are saying or we don't have all the facts. So cut Albert a little slack on this one ok.
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ReplyDeletealbert, it was sick, it was beyond disgusting - extremely graphic too. it did remind me someone is dead, it also reminded me how they died. it is as if you were there based on that description.
ReplyDeleteas hard as it is for me, i will give you the benefit of the doubt. apology accepted.
PLEASE be more careful, it upset me more than you can imagine, for the first time i got images in my head - you know what i mean. sickening.
i am going take advantage of this serious discussion (wish we had more of them) :) do you REALLY believe i am aaron? if so, why?
do you believe bryan deserved to be murdered?
BB, I do not know who you are and what I said was VERY badly worded. I will respond to your questions. Not tonight. Give me a day and it may be sent through channels.
ReplyDeleteAs you know, I am in a long distance relationship and right now I need my partner.
Be well, Albert
BB I truly can say this and I think most people who read my blog and any of the other blogs that are discussing this case would agree on, is that no one deserves to die like Bryan did and I truly don't think if someone felt that way they would admit it here or anywhere else for that matter.
ReplyDeleteI go away for two seconds and look what happens. What the hell did he post?
ReplyDeleteElm, adjust your stat counter log size to 500; its a free upgrade. Are you having the same issue I am? Everytime one of DK's 190000 screen names posts, the source IP is from MASS? What a Mass-hole :-P
ReplyDeletehey ... well appears like DH(K) has truley lost the plot ... with more statements and theories and bullshit .... its a worry that some creep like that is cashing in on all parties involved ...
ReplyDeleteso now we wait for the trial to start .... i imagine that many people are hoping this is the end ... i hope its just the begining
As far as this whole matter goes, I wouldn't worry about DK having an impact, positive or negative, on this case.
ReplyDeleteHe is highly annoying, but the professionals involved have seen countless DKs before, and if you can beleive it, even more annoying ones.
Besides, if any professional is foolish enough to give any creedence to what DK says, they'll only do so once. As a rule, people don't like to work with nutjobs.
As I read the Law Journal, it concludes that it is inconsistent for California...
ReplyDeleteCad, the lawsuit was a federal case, not a local one. While it's possible that California might, one day, uphold porn-personal services contracts, there's even less of a chance that a Federal Circut will.
That being said isn't it mentioned somewhere that LSG gave Harlow/Boybatter.com a contract? Was it worth the paper it was written on?
Cad, that was after the police were involved. It was one of those things that was used to reel Dildodumb and Dildodumber in.
Jody, this is not a legal forum and so I have avoided blatant criticism of the many plain ignorant interpretations and opinions that have been expressed on various legal matters.
ReplyDeleteI wholly accept that my understanding of the conflicts between state and federal law is academic rather than practical because I do not have a US bar licence.
Regardless of that it is simply inappropriate for Grant to state that the said academic article undermined Cobra/Bryan's legal position. It is not that simple.
Law suits have a variety of objectives and basis. The fact is Bryan achieved what he wanted and was very happy with the outcome.
LSG did not. This is obvious by their continued bitter resentment.
If LSG were so sure they should have gone to trial. It is that simple.
Cad why is it that simple. There are a myriad of reasons people settle lawsuits even though they believe in the end they will win. Not the least of which is that the more powerful adversary with unlimited resources wears you down and you come to a point where settling is all you have left.
ReplyDeleteKevin, I have absolutely no doubt that this matter could have been closed down by Sean in August 2005.
ReplyDeleteHad he then proved his true age, Bryan would have been denied the element of doubt that fired the time ahead.
I do not know why Sean has adopted such a foolhardy legal strategy that has cost everyone, not least himself, so much.
"May 30, 2007 4:16 PM
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Cobra has not gone.
Since no one seems to have believed my assertion ,….. the eagle eyed will notice a new custodian of records:-
ES Bryan
475 Wyoming Avenue
Wyoming
PA 18644
Stand by for further re-releases !!
May 30, 2007 4:31 PM"
Release date 3 June 2007
Cobra is gone.
Julien Said...
ReplyDeleteElm, adjust your stat counter log size to 500; its a free upgrade. Are you having the same issue I am? Everytime one of DK's 190000 screen names posts, the source IP is from MASS? What a Mass-hole :-P
Hey Julien I am on top of it and I sent the same info to the other bloggers as well here is a link to the stat counter site. http://my.statcounter.com/register.php
I would reccomend that all the bloggers have this on there site.
I have also noticed that everytime I get a harrasing comment about Damon kruezer it comes from the Boston, Quincy and Middlebourogh area of MA as well. I have also gone to the authorities with regards to the menacing nature of the comments and will continue doing so.I have also forwarded the Ip addresses as well. Thanks for the heads up.
Kevin, I have absolutely no doubt that this matter could have been closed down by Bryan in August 2005.
ReplyDeleteHad he then had proof of Brent’s age as he said and was required by law, Brent would have been denied the element of truth that followed and put Bryan is real criminal jeopardy.
I know why Bryan adopted such a foolhardy legal strategy that cost everyone, not least himself, so much.
Here a little tidbit for you all. Bryan was not unaware of Sean Lockhart’s true age. He knew as far back as 2004. Several sources have stated this including Sean himself. So as we all know from what has transpired since we also know that Sean and “Jake” were given money to go and get a fake ID so Bryan would be “compliant” with the 2257 regulations. We also know that Sean made it Clear to Bryan that he was not going to go along with the lie after he signed the second contract. You know the one where he got the car. The one he broke less than 3 months after he signed it. The contract he signed when he was 18 years old. There is also a quite the damning email that was sent by Sean to Grant detailing their plan to bring Cobra down and that they were going to start there own company and blow Bryan and Cobra out of the water. All of this is reported in the court documents. But none of this is really being taken in to consideration with regards to Bryan actions. My opinion is if Sean did not want to work for Cobra then why did he sign the second contract? Also Bryan was put in a delicate situation and he had to try and stay ahead of the law, which he was complicate in breaking. He had “valid identification” for Sean but in effect he had purchased it. So then we have the civil suit. Sean had blocked Bryan’s every attempt to get valid ID and that is why things got so messy. If the age issue had been resolved we might not even be discussing this whole mess now in the context that we are discussing it in now. Sean would be using a different name and his star would be on the rise. But that is not the case and we are dealing in the nasty underhanded world of porn and murder instead. Was any of this necessary? I don’t think so it’s just a rivalry gone bad and it revolves around the main players and none of their lives will ever be the same again.
ReplyDeleteCAD, this is not a legal forum and so I have avoided blatant criticism of the many plain ignorant interpretations and opinions that have been expressed on various legal matters
ReplyDeleteIt is entirely appropriate for Grant to state that the said academic article undermined Cobra/Bryan's legal position. It is that simple.
Law suits have a variety of objectives and basis. The fact is Bryan did not achieve what he wanted. This is obvious by Cobra’s continued bitter resentment.
If LSG were wealthy enough, they would have gone to trial. It is that simple.
Jody: The lawsuit was a federal case, not a local one. While it's possible that California might, one day, uphold porn-personal services contracts, there's even less of a chance that a Federal Circut will.
ReplyDeleteJody, porn contracts have been explicitly legal in CA since People v. Freeman in 1988.
Anyway, Cad is right, the article doesn't undermine Cobra's case, although it points out the problems with upholding a contract such as it had with Lockhart, along with the consequences of not upholding it. It might have served as a primer to the issues at trial, had it gone to that, but it hardly undermined Cobra's case. It's just a brief look at the various issues involved, focusing primarily on CA law. Cobra-Lockhart was merely mentioned as a current example.
You did actually read it all, didn't you?
A current example of a contract for sex which is not allowed in any state much less the United States as a whole. Brent's contract was worth shit. All such contracts's, including so called 'exclusive contracts' are worth shit. In the U.S., we do not recognize contracts for sex (other then marrage).
ReplyDeleteApperantly some of the Cobra supporters still won't to promote his concept of, "It's all on them." I guess Bryan was a homing beacon for 'boy raping perverts.' Just get them to lie about their age and you have no responsibility.
Boy rapers have no responsibility by definition. They just like raping boys and they will get sick as fuck lawyers with no moral values to defend them.
Just a mild mannered observation here. Good night.
Umm, J-bee, the Freeman decision applies to producers who hire consenting actors to engage in a form of expression not otherwise illegal and protected under the First Amendment. It's fine when everyone wants to play... but Sean didn't. Freeman doesn't apply in that case.
ReplyDeleteIf you really want to believe that a Court is going to compel one person to have sex with another against their wishes, knock yourself out. But as “...acts which are independently prohibited
by law cannot be consummated without sanction merely because they occur during [film production],” (Freeman, 1988), and the last time I checked rape is independently prohibited under Section 261 of the Penal Code, Cobra really didn't have much of a chance in prevailing in Court.
So, to answer your question, yes, I did read the whole article. I also understood it. Did you?
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ReplyDeleteYes, apparently better than you. Freeman makes an exclusion for things that otherwise could be construed as illegal, as a form of expression under the first amendment. That's what you might call the point of it. Anyway, Freeman is CA law and as you note, the suit was Federal.
ReplyDeleteNo, a court would not compel Lockhart to perform against his will. But it could rule that he had failed to fulfill the contract.
Rape has nothing to do with it, as well you know. Or perhaps not.
A current example of a contract for sex which is not allowed in any state much less the United States as a whole.
ReplyDeleteCalifornia is the exception. Read up. Sheesh.
(The guy is an idiot and supports boy raping perverts, 'hell, he could be one himself, being a supporter of Bryan and all.)
Referring to whom?
But I digress. Cobra does not exist.
What gives you that idea? I agree it's not a viable business without Kocis, but there's no reason for its catalog not to continue in distribution, nor for any unreleased scenes to be edited and released, assuming all the paperwork's in place, by whoever buys the remains of it.
First of all lets get a few things straight. The contract that Sean broke with cobra Video was the one he signed after he was 18 years old. The first contract was in no way a binding one because Sean signed it when he was not yet legal to be bound by such a contract. The second contract was a different story it was signed when he was legal. Now that we have got that part straight lets move on. This was an exclusive contract and it forbade Sean to perform nude for any other companies during the terms of said contract. That part I would believe would be binding. The sexual aspect is the area where the contract is unenforceable. You can not require someone to have sex against their will and that is the law. The implications are that Sean Signed the second contract only to get the car and to learn as much about the porn business as possible. The contract that is mentioned in the legal paper that is being quoted is not the correct one because they are basing the unenforceable aspect on Sean being under aged. This is not the case of the contract that is the basis of the civil suit. Sean was of legal age when that contract was signed and he could be bound by the exclusive agreement in it i.e.: he could not perform for another video company or appear nude for anyone else unless it was cleared through Cobra Video first. The sexual aspect is the area where the contract can not be enforced. Sean could show up on the set and just stand there and do so for the year and fulfill the contract. But he did not do that, he left and stated his own company and appeared in the Velvet Mafia all while he was still under contract to Cobra Video. He attempted to use the name Brent Corrigan on that movie but Bryan had filed a trademark on the name Brent Corrigan so Falcon would not use that name. Sean showed his displeasure to Falcons decision in a post on his blog. Sean’s actions with regards to Cobra Video are suspect at best. He tells Bryan that he is under age in August of 2005 but he says in his blog that he is aware of Bryan knowing this fact much earlier on than that, at least as far back as 2004. What were his reasons for this announcement? Was it a test to see if Bryan would just go away and not put up a fight? This should have never happened, none of it should have but it did. I was because of this that we had the whole war on the Juicygoo threads and the civil suit and the shutting down of the LSG Media’s members site. Out of desperation a settlement agreement was put into play but it was not the most equitable agreement for LSG Media. Sean wanted the name Brent Corrigan and he would not be happy until it was his. Bryan held the cards on that one because he had it registered as a trademark. Enter Joe and Harlow who had a company that could help LSG Media and a verbal agreement of sorts is agreed upon. This agreement was used By LSG Media as leverage to get better terms with Cobra Video. Harlow and Joe were informed that Cobra Video was in the way of their working together and they could not move forward because Sean was still under contract with Cobra Video. The settlement was signed and Bryan is murdered 4 days later this in turn lead to the arrest of Joe and Harlow for the murder of Bryan Kocis. There does not seem to be a valid reason for them to have murdered Bryan Kocis. Joe told me that he was aware of the pending settlement and he told me that they were aware of the settlement negotiations and were waiting for them to be finalized so they could work together. They also made an announcement to their subscribers about their future plans about working with Brent. So that leaves another big question as to the why? None of this has ever made sense to me and it most likely never will because I don’t think the way those involved think. I am in effect on the outside looking in and to me it is really starting to look like a twisted reality show.
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ReplyDeleteJ-bee, you are still misreading Freeman. You cannot contract for an illegal activity period.
ReplyDeleteFreeman allows you to contract for an otherwise legal activity even if the creation of that contract could be read as being an illegal act.
Two people are legally entitled to have sex and film it. Just because they are now getting paid for that otherwise legal activity doesn't make it illegal.
No one is allowed to force another person to have sex. (Rape, battery, assault, etc.) There is no Freeman exemption for that -- if a person doesn't want to have sex, you can't make them or successfully sue them because they wouldn't.
Compulsion, and a lawsuit is another form of compulsion, and sex = rape.
And Bryan LOVED to rape boys.
ReplyDeleteHe even filmed himself doing it.
ReplyDeleteThat's totaly cool in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, so I hear.
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ReplyDeleteAlbert, my mind was a blank when I made my earlier post I meant to say that since imitation is the highest form of flattery, I am flattered.
ReplyDeletel'esprit d'escalier - as the say in France
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El,
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to say hi to everyone. I haven't posted in a while. Now I set up a blogger account and can post. Will share my opinions later.
Sassy
allburp give it a rest. while many of us disagree with certain points - this is no excuse or reason for the arranging of bryans murder.
ReplyDeletebryan never raped sean.
bryan never raped anyone that can be proven.
bryan never drugged sean.
bryan never drugged anyone that can be proven.
you reffer to the 15 year old all the time. here are the FACTS about that incident:
the 15 year old LIED about his age.
the fbi found NO kiddie porn in bryans SAFE or anywhere else.
all materials removed from bryan by the fbi were promptly returned.
i have filmed myself having sex with someone, it means nothing, it is not illegal. it is a private matter. bryan filming himself with the boy was not illegal, it was not for sale. it was not illegal because the boy admitted he lied about his age.
bryan filming other underage boys : it never happened, plain and simple. bryan had documents for all porn he produced for sale. how do i know this? because the fbi returned everything to bryan - it obviously all checked out.
was bryan a pervert? yes. obviously he liked twinks, you do too, you have said so in the past - you also bought at least one twink movie i know about.
allburp, that makes you a pervert, a worse one than bryan coz of you age difference. how old are you exactly? 65?
so we have you a 65 year old with porn in his safe, twink porn he bought. yep, perverted are you.
so, before you go around making accusations towards others who enjoy twinks. take a long hard look at your actions.
lets say cobrakiller arranged bryans murder, he does 10 years, then gets out.
ReplyDeletewithin days of his release, allburp is found brutally murdered, the cops go arrest the cobrakiller. he did it once right, so he obviously did it again. in fact depain killed allburp coz he caught allburp in bed with twink. depain says no i did not do it, cobrakiller did it coz he done it before.
this is the kind of shit you are saying about bryan. it is all fantasy and wishful thinking on your part.
the proven liars to date are sean and his soon to be charged cobrakiller.
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June 5, 2007 6:00 AM
na, poor old allburp has totally gone of his head. i hope the men in white coats are on the way to give the much needed help. poor allburp, he needs to be brought back to reality. old age is a terrible thing by all accounts. confusion is the norm for a few of the elderly unfortunately.
anyways... back to the cobrakiller. can't be too long till he is arrested , the longer time goes by, the sooner his day of arrest will come.
ReplyDeletewhat a joyous day that will be for many :)
that is one trial i will not miss! you'll know me by my t-shirt :) - even then you'll wonder 'who the fuck is that' LOL. see you there cobrakiller.
allburp says:
ReplyDelete"cobra is gone"
WWW.COBRAVIDEO.COM WILL RETURN SHORTLY... :) changing servers and/or revamping is never easy or fun.
WWW.BRENTCORRIGANXXX.COM is now back online :) see the whore in all his gory, er um sorry GLORY :)
so allburp put your fucking stick away, the cobra aint dead just yet :)
BB get hold of yourself. Your hate is showing. You can scream all you want, you can call people all the names you want, and be as nasty as you want, but it is this very type of vitriol that got this to where it is. I would imagine your head spins in a full circle almost fast enough for you to take off, take a few deep breaths and try and grasp that your anger and spewing of ugliness is not impressive but rather bares an ugly soul.
ReplyDeleteit seems to me that some people hate cobra mainly because cobra lead them into temptation.^^
ReplyDeleteAnd Bryan LOVED to rape boys.
ReplyDeleteA, I'm not sure I'd say that. While Bryan's ethics were suspect, I don't think he was a psychopath.
First of all lets get a few things straight...The second contract was a different story it was signed when he was legal.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really sure you can say that's true. Even if the contract was signed in California, it's really doubtful Freeman would apply. You can't compel a person to commit an act that is illegal, nor penalize them for not doing so. If Sean didn't want to have sex any compulsion to do it or threat of suit for failure to do so would be in essence having the Court condone rape -- a no-no. And that's for California. The suit was a Federal suit, where the laws would be different.
I personally don't think it's ethically right to promise to have sex for compensation, take the compensation, and then not have sex. For that (admittedly quite libertarian) ethical breach, Sean was forced to make good -- the settlement agreement with Cobra.
This was an exclusive contract and it forbade Sean to perform nude for any other companies during the terms of said contract. That part I would believe would be binding.
That's incorrect, Elm. Assuming for a moment the contract was legal, in the state of California, except in a very narrow set of circumstances, non-compete clauses are illegal and unenforceable. This holds even to agreements signed in other states. Sean could have participated in any work he wanted to.
He attempted to use the name Brent Corrigan on that movie but Bryan had filed a trademark on the name Brent Corrigan so Falcon would not use that name.Sean showed his displeasure to Falcons decision in a post on his blog
Bryan had a Pennsylvania Trademark on the name "Brent Corrigan." I believe he got that trademark fraudulently, but that's neither here nor there. The federal papers he filed had been rejected numerous times for numerous reasons. Neither Cobra or Bryan have a Federal Trademark on the name. It's not likely the will either.
That was essentially Sean's point to Falcon. When he signed the contract to appear in VM he did so with the understanding that he'd be billed as "Brent Corrigan." Sean was pissed when he was billed as Fox Ryder and responded accordingly.
I told Sean that I wouldn't have publicly lambasted Falcon for their decision but would have raised holy-hell with them in private. I'd do that because of what I've learned over the years from fighting in public and in private. Sean is young and passionate. He'll learn what works best for him as time goes by.
Sean’s actions with regards to Cobra Video are suspect at best.
Feh.
He was first a 17 year old street kid trying to pay his bills, then an 18 year old trying to… get back at? …fight with? …be clever with (?) a former lover and mentor he was pissed at. His actions were wrong but not suspect. They are quite understandable considering his age and his experience.
Out of desperation a settlement agreement was put into play but it was not the most equitable agreement for LSG Media. Sean wanted the name Brent Corrigan and he would not be happy until it was his. Bryan held the cards on that one because he had it registered as a trademark.
Elm, the only cards Bryan held was money. The legal merits of each piece of his case were rather shakey. He had no valid trademark, as a result the cyber-squatting was BS, and the breach of contract complaint wouldn't have gone anywhere at a Federal trial.
Bryan did have the cash though to make this a long, drawn out fight. LSG couldn't compete and had to settle. As to what the full terms of the settlement were, none of us can say. It was confidential.
Enter Joe and Harlow who had a company that could help LSG Media and a verbal agreement of sorts is agreed upon. This agreement was used By LSG Media as leverage to get better terms with Cobra Video.
That’s supposition on your part. Nothing has been presented that would show H/J played any role in the agreement to settle between LSG and Bryan. LSG and Cobra settled independently of H/J.
Harlow and Joe were informed that Cobra Video was in the way of their working together and they could not move forward because Sean was still under contract with Cobra Video.
Elm, that is simply not true.
H/J were told that when everything had been set and settled between LSG and Cobra, then Sean and Grant would discuss working with Boybatter. Nothing though would happen as long as H/J continued to run an escorting service and tie it so directly to BB. Grant made that quite clear to H/J during their meeting.
The settlement was signed and Bryan is murdered 4 days later this in turn lead to the arrest of Joe and Harlow for the murder of Bryan Kocis. There does not seem to be a valid reason for them to have murdered Bryan Kocis.
The settlement is independent of Harlow and Joe's decision to murder Bryan. The two events are not causal. They occurred in proximity, but the settlement didn't lead to H/J choosing to murder Bryan.
Joe told me that he was aware of the pending settlement and he told me that they were aware of the settlement negotiations and were waiting for them to be finalized so they could work together. They also made an announcement to their subscribers about their future plans about working with Brent. So that leaves another big question as to the why?
Harlow and Joe were not the brightest lights on the Xmas tree. They lived in their own little world where they were the Shit, but in the real world we all really exist in, they were simply another set of turds next to many other larger piles of doo-doo.
In another world, H/J might have learned some patience, that "maybe" is a far better agreement to have with another party than "no." They might have gotten their million dollar movie if they'd just waited for things to work out on LSGs end.
In our world though, for a variety of their own reasons, Harlow and Joe thought they could speed the process along by offing Bryan.
Dumbasses.
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ReplyDeleteH/J were told that when everything had been set and settled between LSG and Cobra, then Sean and Grant would discuss working with Boybatter.
While we'll never know, I have always wondered why Grant and Sean would approach and want to work with a company that films bareback scenes? Considering their hostility (for lack of a better word) toward Cobra and all things bareback (remember Sean said he'd never do on-camera bareback scenes again), why even discuss a partnership/agreement/potential of a working relationship with a company that did what Cobra does?
Makes no sense. Then again, not much of this sad story does.
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ReplyDeleteH/J were told that when everything had been set and settled between LSG and Cobra, then Sean and Grant would discuss working with Boybatter. Nothing though would happen as long as H/J continued to run an escorting service and tie it so directly to BB. Grant made that quite clear to H/J during their meeting.
What else do you know that Grant made clear at that meeting? What was his problem with H/J's escorting service and their filming with Brent?
Jody the fact of the matter is you will take anything said and make it work to your advantage. I must admit that you are quite good at spin. So you believe what you want and call everyone names if you must but there is one fact that you can not change, Bryan was murdered and you can put your spin on it any way you want but it was the direct result of lies that were told by your precious Sean and Grant. All that you claim as facts is simple heresay at best because you were not in Las Vegas and you are taking what you have been old as fact. I will admit to this why can't you. You don't know the truth and neither do I as far as this case really goes all we have is what we have been told by the players who are admitted liars and forgers. So just admit it, you can pull all the court cases and laws you want out of your ass but it does not make it right or true it just makes it wrong.
ReplyDeletePerforming sex in a porn video in California, under California law, is not an illegal act - not for the performer, and not for the producer. That is the point of Freeman. Whether in this lawsuit Pennsylvania law might apply, or California, or Federal, or some combination, is another matter. But it appears intentionally misleading to assert that Lockhart's contract with Cobra was illegal and unenforceable in all cases and all jurisdictions simply because compensation, in part, for sex, was involved. It simply isn't true. California law provides the exception, and indeed its laws might not have mattered here. You can contend that a Federal court would see it differently, but that remained to be seen.
ReplyDeleteCrying "rape" is likewise misleading. No court would order Lockhart to fulfill this contract against his will, but it could easily rule as a separate matter that in not doing so he was in breach of its terms - if it found that its fulfillment did not violate the law, as under California law it would not. Again, the question of which laws apply in this case is more complicated.
I doubt Jody means to represent Grant's account of the dinner conversation as established fact. He probably just gets tired of acknowledging that it is merely Grant's account of it - which should be self-evident. Still, I suppose it's a useful reminder to point it out. Similarly, the arrest affidavit merely states what Grant told police, without asserting that what he told them is accurate. Of course it might be entirely accurate and complete, but that hasn't been established and might never be.
One more point. Performers are held to exclusive contracts all the time, whether they argue illegality of non-compete clauses or not. You might recall George Michael's case (admittedly tried in the UK, but it's a good familiar example). No, the court would not say "you must make another record whether you want to or not!" but it did most certainly say "if you are going to, you are bound to the terms of your existing contract." In a less familiar example, I believe Run DMC vanished from the scene at the peak of their success because they did not like their contract and refused to fulfill it. This did not make them free to sign with another label, nor to create their own.
ReplyDeleteIt sometimes appears that LSG/Lockhart believed it would prevail because it was going to establish legal precendent (regarding porn contracts in Federal court), rather than in any simpler, more straightforward way. Who knows? Maybe they would have, but that's a steeper hill to climb. A Federal ruling that his contract was void due to the sexual element might have gone to appeal with most of the adult film industry in California assisting Cobra, whether they cared to or not.
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H/J were told that when everything had been set and settled between LSG and Cobra, then Sean and Grant would discuss working with Boybatter. Nothing though would happen as long as H/J continued to run an escorting service and tie it so directly to BB. Grant made that quite clear to H/J during their meeting.
What else do you know that Grant made clear at that meeting? What was his problem with H/J's escorting service and their filming with Brent?
Sassy, Grant has a well known antipathy for Escorts.
I never heard of Boybatter till I saw Harlows My Space in I think November. Just a quick check of boybatter and Norfolk was enough to convince me theses boys were playing with fire. David Forest was arrested and served time in a California prison for much less than what Joe & Harlow were doing. And Bragging very openly about it!
Escorting AND posting testimonials about all the “great sex” the clients of Norfolk were having. Absent the murder of Mr. Kocis theses two were going down for Prostitution under Rico! Kind of a shame because I think that it should be LEGAL! Prostitution that is. ;)
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ReplyDeleteSassy, Grant has a well known antipathy for Escorts.
Yes he does Howard. Which begs yet another question as to why he would contact a barebacking escort/amateur porn model to do business with...
Ok, this legal stuff has become plain stupid. It is quite possible that either or both of the contracts could not have been effective because they were:-
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voidable, or
unenforceable
Each of these has a different cause and each has a different remedy. It is not a simple matter and it is impossible, now, to ascertain what the outcome would have been.
Given that consideration had already passed on the second contract it is likely that a quantum meruit award would be made by the court and Sean would have had to pay something back to Cobra.
As for exclusive contracts, or restrictive covenenants as they are properly known, that is another area that fills the lawyers' coffers. Courts generally look at the overall reasonableness of the restriction.
George Michael was independently and properly legally advised of the effect of the restriction when he signed with CBS (who were bought by Sony) and had no legal basis for his claim against Sony. He was badly advised to proceed.
But there is no Court in the world that is going to force someone to have sex against their will.
J-bee said, “Rape has nothing to do with it, as well you know. Or perhaps not.”
ReplyDeleteActually rape is very much a part of this situation. Bryan was a rapist. If you watch the scene with Brent and Carson Rhodes in TILABB you will notice it comes to a very abrupt halt. It comes to an abrupt halt because Brent was being hurt and he stopped and told Bryan, ‘No more, it‘s over.’ That’s a paraphrase not a quote. Bryan became irate at that. Rather than concern for his young star he was more concerned about his being in control. Gay men with a heart know the bottom must be in control. Bryan did not have such a heart.
J-bee said, “California is the exception. Read up. Sheesh.”
You should have said Nevada was the exception but I digress. A contract for sex is not enforceable anywhere in the U.S. That would be state enforced rape.
CAD said, “Albert, my mind was a blank when I made my earlier post I meant to say that since imitation is the highest form of flattery, I am flattered.
l'esprit d'escalier - as the say in France.”
No problem. I figured something like that. It was amusing while it lasted though.
BB 8:56 - 9:32AM. IF you want me to believe that a 40 year old experienced gay pornographer specializing in filming ‘twinks’ does not know a 15 year old boy when he sees one, you will have to try harder. Bryan filmed himself raping this 15 year old so in fact he did have kiddie porn in his house. You are using the same irrelevant argument that Bryan used. In his mind, if he could get the boy to lie about his age, in Bryan’s mind that relieved him of any responsibility. As Bryan would say, “It’s all on them.” Under our laws, that argument does not work. Bryan was sick but not completely stupid. He knew what he was doing and did he because he liked it. Bryan never denied having sex with Brent when Brent was underage. He just got pissed off when it was made public. Since that was done in California, it was rape. Bryan was a rapist.
Do I really need to point out that my boyfriend is in his mid forties. If you think DeWayne is a twink then your point is well made.
Jody, I also will not say Bryan was a psychopath. I would not offer a man that loved to rape boys the option of an insanity defense. He was just filming himself doing it so he could remind himself of what not to do in the future. I get it.
Sassy, welcome back. You must be off the clock now. Me too. Grant has an aversion to escorts. One of the first rules he set down with Brent when they became boyfriends was that Brent would not escort. Since Brent was not doing that it was an easy rule to accept.
Voch said, “Yes he does Howard. Which begs yet another question as to why he would contact a barebacking escort/amateur porn model to do business with...
Voch, I think most would agree that the contrast of Brent and Harlow would have been a good match. It would be very similar to the Brent E/Brent C combination. Just two very attractive, sexually dynamic young men together. Since Brent does not do bareback, the risk becomes minimal. Grant would have had more difficulty with the image of the two companies. Unfortunately, dumbass Kerekes had other plans. Sadly, he dragged his beautiful but not too bright young boyfriend with him.
Albert, one thing that I find hard to reconcile with the negative comments about Bryan is the lack of such comments from Cobra models.
ReplyDeleteSomeone suggested, though I haven't checked, that there were over 100 guys that appeared in Cobra films.
Yet, less than a handful have made any negative comments about the experience.
I have not watched Sean's scene in TILABB, but I have watched the two with Cameron. I cannot see any evidence of anything but a "vanilla" approach by Bryan.
I think you are being too harsh in labelling Bryan as a rapist and it undermines your credibility as someone that otherwise has clearly something to contribute to the debate.
Albert said...
ReplyDeleteSince Brent does not do bareback.
But Harlow does. And he was an escort. Why in the world would Grant have wanted to work with someone like that - just because they would have made a good match?
And while we're on the subject, what makes you think Harlow would have worked with condoms?
Harlow said...
our fans desire the “au natural” look. No doubt that bare back is one of the things making Boy Batter scenes very erotic.
Yes the “industry” looks down upon it, but they are not the ones paying the bills, the “customer” does.
The “customer” is the “industry” not the other way around.
I highly doubt there would have been a huge cry from anyone to see this team go condom. Regardless of what they say, I am pretty sure the majority of Sean's fans wouldn't have had any issue with him barebacking with Harlow.
However, we'll never know.
Albert, regarding Sean's scene with Carson Rhodes in "TILABB", that was all Sean's idea. Bryan told me the scene was one of Sean's fantasies - he wanted to be controlled and dominated by an older top. The one thing he wouldn't do is get his ass slapped, which he eventually did in "VM".
ReplyDeleteNo Voch Brent was being hurt. Are you related to Bryan?
ReplyDeleteCad said...
ReplyDelete"Albert, one thing that I find hard to reconcile with the negative comments about Bryan is the lack of such comments from Cobra models.
Someone suggested, though I haven't checked, that there were over 100 guys that appeared in Cobra films.
Yet, less than a handful have made any negative comments about the experience.
I have not watched Sean's scene in TILABB, but I have watched the two with Cameron. I cannot see any evidence of anything but a "vanilla" approach by Bryan.
I think you are being too harsh in labelling Bryan as a rapist and it undermines your credibility as someone that otherwise has clearly something to contribute to the debate."
June 5, 2007 4:01 PM
Thank you so much for the civility. Brent actually fell in love with the actor known as Cameron Lane. Brent said he would have given up porn to be with Cameron. The two spent a few days together after the shooting and ‘fucked like rabbits,’ again a paraphrase.
Bryan got wind of the two having a relationship and started telling Cameron nasty shit about Brent. Cameron bought Bryan’s lies and dropped Brent.
Bryan had very specific boys he liked,….personally. We know Robert was clearly one. The actor known as Cody Lockhart was another. None came close to the infatuation and fixation Bryan had for Brent. Yes Bryan had about a hundred other models that went on with their lives. When Brent went on, Bryan would not let go. You know he was spending about $10,000 a month pursuing Brent. A millionaire independent pornographer, so fixated on just one of his actors is not normal. He opened a separate website dedicated to that young model, after he had lost that model. The last time one could view Cobra Video’s website, it was still dominated by pictures of Brent Corrigan. The fixation has become corporate. It is now a family fixation. The Kocis family is reflected in the product it sells.
That is harsh but it is the reality today. Bryan raped boys. Two we know of. He filmed himself with one and never denied the other. If you want to say that my accusing Bryan of being a rapist undermines my credibility, OK. I can live with that because he did rape boys. Should I forgive him and let bygones be bygones? Maybe. Talk to me about the accusations of a 17 year old boy trying to support himself using a fake ID and discounting anything he says now at the age of 20 for that error.
Rape vs. dishonesty. Selective indignation I think.
albert,
ReplyDeletedid you ever realize that sean can tell you everything he wants. nobody is there to tell you what really happens in certain situations. after all the lies sean told to people i do not understand why you believe every word sean says.
don´t try to sell us sean´s stories as the truth.
Fair enough. i will stop until someone trys to tell me somthing from the Cobra side of things. Then, GAME ON. OK
ReplyDeleteWould it matter if I was related to Bryan, Albert? What difference would that make? You're not related to Sean or Grant (are you?) and yet you have this blind faith in them. Do I have to be related to Bryan for me to have faith in him?
ReplyDeleteSean was being hurt? I guess that's what Sean told you. My view of that scene is much different.
BTW, I think Sean fell for Connor Ashton, not Cameron Lane.
I was going to comment on your consistent descriptions of Bryan, but decided against it, as that would drag me down to your very low level.
Albert says, "Fair enough. i will stop until someone trys to tell me somthing from the Cobra side of things. Then, GAME ON. OK"
ReplyDeleteAlbert, I shouldn't have to point this out but it seems to be necessary. This isn't a game and I find it very alarming that you seem to think that it is. We are discussing serious issues here. Issues which have personally affected a number of individuals, quite possibly for the rest of their lives, and issues which involve one man being brutally murdered. I don't think it can get any more serious than that. Do you?
Voch, I stand totaly corrected. Connor Ashton is the person I was thinking of. The scenes with Cameron Lane were OK except as Brent expressed, the double dildo was not fun.
ReplyDeleteAs to my relationship question. I believe the spirit of a company reflects its owners. Maybe I should ask if you are an owner. You certaintly did not deny being related which would have been easy if it were true. You know I have no financial or personnal relationship with any of the key players in this. I am private but not totally anonymous. I am known the be the simple fan I am.
It is always interesting to try and figure out who is who. i do not believe in outing people, but I do try to connect the dots.
Thanks for the correction. Multitasking tonight. ( I know, bad idea at my age. ) Game on.
MJ, I do not see much serious conversation gong on here. It has been for four month, nearly five, mostly a lot of Brent and Grant bashing which I do not take seriously at all. Nice try though.
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ReplyDeleteAlbert, I'm not an owner, nor related to Bryan. Like you, I have no financial or personnal relationship with any of the key players in this tragedy. I just have a different view of things than you do.
ReplyDeleteVoch, thank you. I believe you.
ReplyDeleteAlbert says, "MJ, I do not see much serious conversation gong on here. It has been for four month, nearly five, mostly a lot of Brent and Grant bashing which I do not take seriously at all."
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry you feel that way, Albert. But it's comments such as referring to what is and has been discussed on these blogs as "games" which hurts your credibility in your past and future statements. Perhaps you're not even aiming for credibility with your statements, I really do not know.
What I do know, however, is that you are a dedicated fan of Sean's and you have defended him time and again on this blog and others and I respect that. But if you feel that there is a lot of "Brent and Grant bashing" going on that you do not take seriously, would it not be more productive to argue your point in an adult, constructive discussion, rather than resorting to "game" talk and what, in my opinion, appears to be trivializing of the events of this case.
Albert says, " Nice try though."
Nice try? You know, Albert, if you want to play games, be my guest. However, I am in no way interested in doing so and I have not done so on this blog, nor will I. "Games" do not involve murder, at least in my book.
To my mind, this 4-5 month conversation has been an opportunity to yell “Cobra-Killer” or “LIIIIEEERRR” repeatedly. I have seen very little real thought come from the crowd that wants to yell at a teenage kid on his own trying to survive while a forty year old boy raping pervert is forgiven. The boy raping pervert was spending $10,000 dollars a month to harass a broke, out of work 19 year old. That is for sure a sign of intelligence, maturity and reason in a forty year old.
ReplyDeleteRead what he was writing at the same time. He was not just in JuicyGoo. He was in Matt’s ’Debriefing the Boys” where he and I first got into it publicly. The man was sick. He would make comments on Brent’s blog. He was a sick voyeur during BrentAid. He was hanging around Brent’s Chat room the next day waiting for Brent to show up. While he was waiting, he was talking sick shit with another person about what he wanted to do to this boy.
I do not rely on what Brent tells me alone. I listen to others and I have had my own experiences with that man. He hated me and he had my boyfriend named in the settlement as a person that could void the contract with the wrong words. BIG MISTAKE. DeWayne did not sign the contract and I am not DeWayne.
Cobra will cease to exist. Brent is young, strong and intelligent. Cobra is not.
Are you and DeWayne a couple, Albert? I didn't know that. How long have you two been together?
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ReplyDeleteAre you and DeWayne a couple, Albert? I didn't know that. How long have you two been together? We met in San Diego September 2006 and are playing out the movie & play "Same time next year" (Long distance relationship);)
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ReplyDeleteVoch said...
ReplyDeleteAlbert, regarding Sean's scene with Carson Rhodes in "TILABB", that was all Sean's idea. Bryan told me the scene was one of Sean's fantasies - he wanted to be controlled and dominated by an older top. The one thing he wouldn't do is get his ass slapped, which he eventually did in "VM".
Hi Voch, Yes the “scene idea” with Carson Rhodes was Brent’s idea (what Albert is referring too)The scene ends abruptly. The reason was simple Brent started to hurt which happens to anyone who bottoms.
The problem was Brent ended the Anal sex on the spot (indicated by a “time out” hand signal) Bryan however was infuriated. This was an issue of CONTROL and it this point the “professional” relation ship with Bryan was at a breaking point. I do not think the way the scene ended was a big deal at the time however, but became magnified down the road. Ironically the much better Cameron Lane scene would film a month later, and that was the last video recorded by Bryan with Brent.
Voch as for the issue with Harlow being a BB porn model. That was not a major concern since Josh Vaughn,Ashton Star & Carter Longway all did BB video before working with Brent last summer. I think if you are professional wearing a condom for a scene would not have been a “deal breaker” for Harlow. Although I have not read anything Harlow said on the subject I assume he used condoms while working as an escort.
Cad said...
"Albert, one thing that I find hard to reconcile with the negative comments about Bryan is the lack of such comments from Cobra models.
Someone suggested, though I haven't checked, that there were over 100 guys that appeared in Cobra films.
Yet, less than a handful have made any negative comments about the experience
Cad I think this is easy to explain. The majority of the Cobra Boy’s were rank amateurs with no desire to “continue” in gay porn. Most boy’s did 2 or 3 scenes then went back to School and moved on with their lives. They more than likely wish to forget the experience.
A few spoke publicly & espoused negative views of Bryan & his methods (Eric,Matt and Brandon Croft) they were ALL threatened by Bryan ( a favorite tactic of Bryans was to threaten to mail a DVD or pictures to their family, with Brent he mailed it to his family in Seattle)
In Brandon Crofts case Bryan removed all mention of him from the Cobra Website. (he did not remove the videos) The mere “threat” of exposure of your real name by Bryan would be enough to keep the “Cobra Boys” in line.
BTW Brandon Croft & Bryan’s antipathy was well known & mutual. Bryan insisted that the Brandon Croft comment in support of Matt be removed FIRST when negotiation’s began in earnest. An Email from a former Cobra Boy
Cad said,,,I think you are being too harsh(Albert) in labelling Bryan as a rapist and it undermines your credibility as someone that otherwise has clearly something to contribute to the debate." What we can’t be Harsh? That restraint has not been shown by Bryans defenders.
Okay the term Rape IS a fair description of what the boy in the 2001 case alleged. (That he was drugged, meaning he could not give “informed consent”) Of course the Boy in the 2001 case was undermined by 1. A family that wished to forget the whole thing (for unknown reason’s) and a prosecutor in Luzerne county who seemed to show UNUSUAL consideration for a Gay Porn producer(and video store owner) in a case involving a 15 yo having sex with a 39 yo.
Cad I would hope you realize just because a Rape is not prosecuted that does not mean a rape did not occur. I know at least 3 people who were violently raped and yet never pressed charges. I do not think anyone would dare say that they were not raped.
As for Brent it is fair to refer to the sex which occurred prior to Oct 31 2004 in San Diego & Pennsylvania as “Statutory Rape”. That is how the Legal system describes it (to be fair I disagree with this concept) It simply means that Brent did not have the right to give consent on account of age. Brent was not violently raped and he certainly did not consider it rape OR he would have had Bryan arrested. (There was also the problem of Chase Mackenzie & Brent Everett)
In my mind referring to Bryan as a rapist applies EXCLUSIVLY to the 2001 case. This was the reason I turned away from Bryan. The 2001 case is revolting and indefensible, and that is why when I asked Bryan about that case in February 2006 he had no answer. From that point on I was no longer a Cobra customer or a defender of Bryan.
yes some good points ... one that really sticks in my head is ...
ReplyDeletewhy would GR contact HC about working with BC ... mmm does not make any sense .... goes against everything he has stated about escorts and bbacking .... very very strange indeed ...
I just had a harsh conversation with my lover. He was wrong. I have seen TILABB. I had to remind him he sent it to me over 6 months ago. I did study it. A major piece of crap. Why would you subject such a beautiful young and gifted actor as Cody to that meaningless scene.
ReplyDeleteDeWayne was relying on his knowledge of the fact that I am not into videos.
I still love my boyfriend.
Voch, DeWayne and I met in Brent's blog starting around April last year. In July we made internet contact through MySpace (On a hint from someone [cough, Grant, cough] in Brent's blog.)
Our communication just grew form there. In September, I drove out there and DeWayne and i got to be boyfriends. We are so well made for each other. Since I have returned to San Antonio, he has helped me guit smoking (last puff 31 October) and we average about two hours a night together on the phone. Of course there is IM, Myspace, E-mail, text, photo sharing and a half dozen other spots we are known in.
Make no mistake. We are different people but we are partners and we are both totally for Brent and a few other young men we support as we are able.
Justice, Austin Parker, and Jessie Jacobs I am proud to call friends. DeWayne, being a lot more into video, has a lot more contacts. Thanks for asking though.
Here is my 2 cents on a few of subjects. As to Bryan being a rapist I would agree with regards to the 2001 case with the 15 year-old boy and Sean that it would be the case goes. As far as it was statutory rape because the 15 year old boy and Sean were not of legal age to make the decision to have sex. Whether I feel that it is right or wrong is of no consequence as it is the law and it was put in place for a reason. As far as Joe and Harlow using condoms in during escort work, I had that conversation with them and they were adamant about the fact that they did. They said they did use condoms and they also used strict guidelines in their videos as to who they were working with. They tested all the models and only worked with a few in bareback situations and you would see the same models used again and again in various parings. As for Harlow there are 6 scenes that he filmed with Boybatter 2 were jerkoff videos and the other 4 were with 4 models. And they were all tested and screened beforehand and of these 4 models 2 were used in others scenes as well. As far as the contract that Sean signed with Bryan goes it was an exclusive modeling contract. It was for a porn studio that is true but it was also for modeling. Now as I have stated before you can not make a person have sex. That would be considered rape in any court of law. But Sean could be bound by the exclusive modeling part of the contract. He was not to work for any other studios or appear nude under the name Brent Corrigan. He did work with Falcon but under the name Fox Ryder. The contract that he signed with Bryan was designed to own his image for the year of the contract. Which is a little screwed up in my opinion. So the Velvet Mafia could be conceived as a breach of contract but he was not billed as Brent Corrigan. As far as him walking away from the contract after receiving the car that would just be a bad move on the part of Sean Lockhart as it gave Bryan some leverage against him. I don’t personally feel that he should have taken the car or tried to use the name Brent Corrigan. If he just walked away and Grant did not antagonize Bryan and just moved on there would not be this long drawn out legal fight and all the hurt feelings because Bryan would have no ammunition to use against Sean. It came down to Sean being stubborn and trying to use a name that Bryan wanted to control. If you look at it this way what would Bryan have if he had the name Brent Corrigan with out Sean Lockhart? Nothing really, not a damn thing. Sean could have moved on with his career and his web-site would most likely be making money and he would have achieved his dream. Bryan would still be alive but pissed off and Joe and Harlow would most likely not be in jail on murder charges. This really comes down to stupidity on the part of all involved and a name that will forever be tarnished by the murder of Bryan Kocis. Now is this something that you want to put out there for your fans? That name is tainted and I believe it always will be. I have said it before that this is a sad story for all involved and it will not get any better. There are those who think this will make Seam Lockhart a bigger star and that’s fine but I just don’t see it. Well Grant you got your wish and Cobra is gone and destroyed but is this what you really wanted? Look at the bloodshed and the shattered lives and the anger and hate that all of this has spawned. Was it really worth it? What have you gained from this? What has anybody gained from all of this? Is there anyone out there who can say that they are truly happy now that Bryan is dead and that Cobra is destroyed?
ReplyDeleteallburp and elm: why did allburp need to call you to remove his vile post? why could he not remove it himself?
ReplyDeletesomething is up with that.
same shit different day :)
ReplyDeletethe way people assume things is very amusing.
unfortunately bryan is not here to set anything straight - sean and his cobrakiller are taking full advantage of that. says more about them i think.
the sean camp refuses to answer any questions as to why the cobrakiller contacted joe and harlow, they refuse to answer why they met first in vegas and then in san diego. still it is better than hearing the usual lies i guess.
I deleted Albert's post because he did not know how. I would do the same for you and anybody else who asked me to. He has since learned how to correct his own mistakes.
ReplyDeleteAs far as my commented goes I a few stements about what I beleive and asked questions and that is all one can do when they don't have the answer.
elmysterio said...
ReplyDelete"I deleted Albert's post because he did not know how. I would do the same for you and anybody else who asked me to. He has since learned how to correct his own mistakes."
ah ok, i did not know how to do that either for a short while.
"As far as my commented goes I a few stements about what I beleive and asked questions and that is all one can do when they don't have the answer."
ok, to be clear i was not bashing you, nor was my comment directed towards you :)
if allburp wants to call bryan a rapist, in turn we can call allburp a pedophile as he thinks he has kiddie porn in his possession.
just keeping it fair and balanced :)
ok
ReplyDeleteElm you make a lot of good point's but I would disagree on one. Harlow and Joe would probably be in jail on pandering charges by now. But they would be looking at a very different prison sentence and the possibility of getting on with their lives!
ReplyDeleteThis is what I find sad the utter waste of young manhood. I am not as charitable as you toward Mr. Kocis, As an observer here on the left coast I have Always had a dislike for this man and his methods.
I feel he was not a positive force in this industry. He seemed to have a wanton disregard for “his boys” but I guess he was no different from some of the eastern European producers. Maybe it just seemed unsettling his enticing young American Youth to endanger themselves.
Although granted most under 30 gay youth today are reckless in the extreme. (In their personal lives) it is still disturbing for someone who witnessed the plague years to see “Reckless behavior” depicted in such a Cavalier way on screen.
Elm if there is a Positive from the last 2 years it is this. In talking to friends still active, I can say Cobra has been a wakeup call. NO ONE is Cavalier about I.d. about testing for STD’s and the whole gay porn biz is more “professional” than 3 years ago.
I’m sorry to say I do not see this in straight porn indeed I am hearing disturbing rumors of an investigation of a well known straight porn producer. Mainly for drug use but also for I.D. issues.
I will say this, Porn can not afford anymore scandal. An incoming Democratic administration will be very dangerous for this biz. Why you ask? Because of the Anti Porn Feminist’s that are such a bedrock of Demo support. And with Gay Porn I am starting to notice a backlash against it among our GLBTG community! With all this Scandal,a ll this carnage should we be surprised?
Jody the fact of the matter is you will take anything said and make it work to your advantage. I must admit that you are quite good at spin.
ReplyDeleteCthulhu's crusty cock, Elm, but I hate to break it to you: you are not kindling a light in the darkness of mere being with your blog.
For that matter, neither am I.
So you believe what you want and call everyone names if you must ...
I believe I've reserved my superlatives for Harlow and Joe. I admit I've called them quite a lot, so it's possible some confusion resulted, but that's simply because I've been unable to settle on "DildoDumb & DildoDumber," or "Poor Excuses For Human Excrement" or "Giant Ignoramuses of Idiotic Excess" as the most apt description for the two of them.
but there is one fact that you can not change, Bryan was murdered and you can put your spin on it any way you want but it was the direct result of lies that were told by your precious Sean and Grant.
Lies don't cause two men to drive across state lines, slip into another man's home, all-but-chop that man's head off, further stab him 28 times, further still light his body afire, burn down his house and abscond with his life's work.
If lies did do that, Hollywood movie studios and the Halls of Congress, the Senate and the White House would be the most blood drenched places on our fair Earth.
All that you claim as facts is simple heresay at best because you were not in Las Vegas and you are taking what you have been old as fact. I will admit to this why can't you.
Because my grasp of both reality in general and the realities of this case in particular is demonstrably better than yours, Elm.
You don't know the truth...
But I do know what is supportable by evidence.
...all we have is what we have been told by the players who are admitted liars and forgers.....
... and by the police, District Attorneys and officials from several federal agencies as exemplified by their affidavits provided to the Court. None of the information provided in those affidavits contradicts anything mentioned to me directly or in passing by Sean or Grant in the weeks and months prior to the arrest of Harlow and Joe.
Oh, and none of the information provided in those affidavits support your theories.
...you can pull all the court cases and laws you want out of your ass but it does not make it right or true it just makes it wrong.
I have absolutely no idea what you were trying to say with that sentence. If I pulled a court case or laws out of someone else's ass, would it then make them...I'm assuming you mean the law or case and not the ass owner... right or true? If, say, I pulled a statute out of another's ass, what then? What about a proviso? A generally excepted term? Maybe a guideline? I could try pull a guess from another's, perhaps even fart one up myself. Does that make a difference? Or is it that the quality of wrongness stains a product by mere descent through the anal canal? I'm confused, Elm.
Honestly kids, it's been fun, but I'm done. Nothing is being accomplished here.
In the real world, the bad guys are in jail, the LSG/Cobra settlement is in place, and Sean himself has a full summer of projects to keep him occupied. That's what really matters. Despite my best attempts, my posting in these forums does little to heighten the signal to noise ratio. Inanity endures.
So with that said, I'm going to steal a page from Jim's coloring-book before he notices and bid y'all a fond adieu....
Jody your an asshole
ReplyDeleteElm, it's "you're."
ReplyDeleteJody "you're" an egocentric prick. Do you enjoy pissing people off? You claim to be a social yet you have no social skills. People don't go around correcting people the way you do and expect people to like them. So I will correct last my comment.
ReplyDeleteyou're an asshole.
I personally think Jody (& Jim) are right. Jody have given a lot of input into things but it is struggle to be heard (mainly because we need 3rd party evidence and Jody can only give us info that while is interesting, can't be investigated/backed up). It must be frustrating for Jody :)
ReplyDeleteWhat we need is evidence. Then again who can really understand another persons motives??
So long Jody! In the beginning, you were a helpful person to have here, offering insight and personal experiences of your association with Sean and Grant. Lately though, you've taken up resorting to personally attacking people who don't subscribe to your magazine of spin, rather than offering objective statements. In a sense, you're too close to Sean and Grant to be objective. Nothing wrong with that, it's just the truth, just a fact, as you so like to tell us.
ReplyDeleteSarcasm is fine and acceptable to me, when trying to get your point across in some instances. However, when sarcasm is in the bulk of your comments, as is putting down your fellow posters, then I'm afraid there's a problem there. Didn't you say you were a social worker at one point? Is sarcasm the route you took with the individuals whose cases you managed? I certainly hope not.
Believe me, I understand it's frustrating when trying to discuss this case with people who just don't want to accept your opinion. But, I think the key word is "opinion." If you want to argue your opinion, that's great, but you can't make someone believe you, the same as I can't make someone believe me, no matter what way my opinion is presented. I think you're realizing that now.
To reiterate what Elm said about the Las Vegas dinner. You were not there, the same as I wasn't there. Neither of us can say for absolute certainty what was said and what wasn't said at the dinner. Only four individuals know what was said and you and I are not one of them. It doesn't matter how "tight" your grasp on reality is or how much spin you want to use, you simply do not know. Nor do I. There's a fact.
As I said to Jim when he left not too long ago, I wish you the best in the future and I thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge of Sean and Grant, relating to this matter these past few months and I hope you do stop back by at some point in the future.
Although, I have to agree with you Jody about a couple of things. I'm rather tired myself of the personal attacks and insults made by various individuals directed towards myself and the other posters here and I'm very tired of the DK discussions. You're right, lately, there hasn't been much new ground covered and I think it's wise to take a step back for awhile, until more news of this case comes about. I think I'll do the same. Perhaps after the hearings scheduled for Joe and Harlow this week and next, there will be more to talk about, more to discuss, more developments. I do not think we've heard all there is to hear about this case, due to the large number of questions that are as of yet, unanswered.
MJ
well there ya go ... what a firey lot .. appears that jody is really just a BCO mouthpiece .. and yeah his comments about H&J are really showing his true colours. I don't know what the outcome will be - but sprouting such rubbishy comments achieves nothing ....
ReplyDeleteso yeah have sure changed my opinion on some posters .... and yes still missin those ranting anons ...
well the hearing date draws near .. i only hope that some truths will come out .. i donno maybe they won't -
and what of BCO ... all quiet over that way ... gettin busy for all those projects ... ya say jody ... mmmmmmm good luck to em.... tainted goods .... it's sure a worry ... thinking you'd have to be pretty brave to get involved in the SC camp now .... but guess it takes all types ... don't it
Elm--Thanks for providing a forum that is actually trying to make sense out of all of this.
ReplyDeleteI think this whole contract mess starts with the simple fact that there was never a meeting of the minds of either party to either the original contract, or the second contract which was an attempt by Bryan Kocis to repair the defects of that first unenforceable one that was voidable at will by Sean Lockhart.
After reading the Georgetown Law Journal article, especially the footnotes, I believe Kocis purposely torted Lockhart. Lockhart was induced to enter into the second contract on the representation of certain promises. Those promises were substantially changed by Kocis without the consent of the other party, Lockhart. Further, the note does say quite plainly that one of Sean's counterclaims was being underage at the time of the original contract. Basically, what I wrote before stands--Kocis was trying to remedy the defects of the original contract with a second contract.
Therefore, the court will look closely at the second contract with an eye to the weaker party. The idea being whether the second party, Lockhart, is being taken advantage of. I maintain he was.
The tentative settlement is merely that until and unless accepted by the court. Also, neither party to the lawsuit gets entirely what they want in a settlement. As I understand it, Sean is allowed to keep 80% of his earnings. Cobra Video must use him in a certain number of films.
Thank you very much for a superb forum for discussing all of these matters from the civil case, to the criminal, and that nut job Damon K.
Rob said...
ReplyDeleteAlso, neither party to the lawsuit gets entirely what they want in a settlement. As I understand it, Sean is allowed to keep 80% of his earnings. Cobra Video must use him in a certain number of films.
Rob, you make a good point - neither party gets exactly what they want in the settlement, but both come out of it fairly satisfied. Sean gets to retain a large proportion of his earnings and takes control of the BC name after a certain amount of time. On the other end, Brent Corrigan "returns" to Cobra Video. A win-win for both sides.
Elm--
ReplyDeleteYou and your loyal following will be interested in Damon K.'s blog. I commented on his "column," four times. Somehow, he managed to repeat the last one. I really must have gotten to him.
He doesn't seem to like it much when the lack of facts is brought up by me several times with examples of what is lacking.
He tried to claim I was engaging him in personal attack which I have not. I did tell him that his work was fair game though. He does not like being told that he needs verifiable facts.
Thanks for the forum.
Rob,
ReplyDeleteI checked out the blog for DK, but can't find a way to leave a comment. Can you tell me how to do that? Somebody needs to tell him to shut up!!!!! Now he thinks he is king of the psychology games. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Cad,
I wasn't off the clock, I typically never am, I was just too busy to post before now. Interesting that Grant has an aversion to male escorts but offers to faciliate filming with one. I wonder if this was the plan from the beginning to make them appear less culpable. If everyone knows Grant hates Escorts then why would he ever make a contract with them? Because the cops made him do it????
Sassy
sassy,
ReplyDeleteinconsistence in saying and doing things is the big problem of s&g. there are so many doubters because of that reason. on a very low pace we learn new facts and even the sean camp admits more and more with time.
the constant ranting against the late bryan from certain not directly involved people irritates me. similar is true for blaming to many people for the results of sean´s own actions. some people here don´t even realize how hypocritical their own behavior is.
all the spin does not change opinions it is merely suspicious.
i m still afraid that we never come close to the truth. hopefully the trial will give us some insight.
Sassy--
ReplyDeleteGo to Damon Kruezer's page, the goofy one with the colored fonts. Near the top you will see the myspace blog thing. Double click on it. It will take you to the material in the light blue boxes. Scroll down past the eHarmony thing and into the Cuadra stuff, all the way to the end you will see the invite forcomments/replys. Hope that helps.
sassy says:
ReplyDelete" *snip*...If everyone knows Grant hates Escorts..."
he lives with one! he can not hate them as much as he'd have anyone believe. more of his lies.
jody, dont go :( i liked your posts and input - even though i disagree with most of your comments.
ReplyDeletejody says:
ReplyDelete"...Sean himself has a full summer of projects to keep him occupied."
I can imagine staying out of jail is hard work under the circumstances :). i imagine his hardest project will be keeping his perverted cobrakiller pimp out of the slammer - if thats what he wants :)
Rob,
ReplyDeleteI've commented as well, using my first name Peter. Guess I'll be accused of engaging him in a personal attack as well. This seems to be his response when you ask him questions he can't, or doesn't want to answer... odd since the questions stem from statements he personally made in the past.
BB--
ReplyDeleteI am new to all of this. Sean works as an escort? From when he was with "Jake," his first boyfriend? I have not seen anything mentioning that regarding Sean.
pc--
ReplyDeleteThanks. I am glad you posted comments too. May be the big lout will actually figure that a lot of read and have jobs that cause us to think about what is put before us in print. Anyway, good the more light and bug spray on a cockroach the better to eliminate the problem of pests.
PC--
ReplyDeleteI love your style! Read your DK comment. Simply brillant and so right on the money. Did you see what I meant about him repeating my last two posts? I think he is trying to make me look foolish. Odd in that the first 3 posts I made had no trouble.
Still, I like your words there.
What we seem to be lacking is some new development and therefore we are back to useless speculation and personal abuse.
ReplyDeleteWhen the arrests were first announced the blog bounced back and was full of great comments all around.
Bryan like all of us could be described as many things. In his own case that included being a son, brother, uncle and most tragically a murder vicitim. From my experience how someone choses to describe us says more about them than us.
"What we seem to be lacking is some new development and therefore we are back to useless speculation and personal abuse."
ReplyDeleteCad,
I don't disagree... I'm planning to have the bond hearing results reported as quickly as I can in the morning. ( I seriously doubt either will be given bond ).
Living next to Virginia Beach has it's benefits. I also hope to have some additional documents available via Julien's site shortly.
PC, they both present a substantial flight risk (failure to surrender) and so I tend to agree that it is most unlikely either will be given bail.
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see if the matters are televised and if so how either are bearing up to incarceration.
bb said:
ReplyDelete"anyways... back to the cobrakiller. can't be too long till he is arrested , the longer time goes by, the sooner his day of arrest will come."
I commented on this back when I was still posting as anonymous, but here's another go.
It seems to me to be unlikely that Grant Roy aka as "cobrakiller" will be arrested. Reason: It is obvious that Grant and Lockhart have beeb cooperating with the authorities since shortly after the murder of Bryan Kocis and that they have been doing so with the advice of criminal attorneys. Under the circumstances, it seems to me highly likely that Grant and Sean already have an understanding with the authorities that either (1) they will not be charged with criminal offenses or (2) the offenses with which they will be charged are relatively minor, such as failure to notify authorities promptly of their suspicions that at the Las Vegas dinner Harlow and Joe were contemplating murder.
In the latter case, the information the authorities have about the Vegas discussion comes from Grant. So he has already incriminated himself to the second charge.
What could change things to make Grant even more complicit in the murder? Nothing, I would say. The authorities might extract from Harlow and/or Joe a statement that Grant explicitly encouraged them to murder Bryan. But in this case either or both of them would first have confessed to the murder. And then we would be faced with conflicting testimony from confessed murderer(s) and a person who has been cooperating with the authorities. Harlow and/or Joe would have zero credibility in court.
In the above, I have used the expression "Harlow and/or Joe." Earlier Jim (where is he now) referred to the "Prisoner's Dilemma" problem of game theory. The idea is that the authorities get two suspects to a crime and hold them in separate cells. This means that they can't coordinate their responses to interrogation and are likely to conclude that their optimum response is to incriminate each other.
Let me make it clear. I think that it's entirely possible that Grant Roy either (1) actively encouraged Harlow and Joe to get Bryan out of the picture by murdering him; or (2) left Harlow and Joe with the impression that murdering Bryan would remove the main obstacle to their working with Sean Lockhart under the name "Brent Corrigan."
What I am saying is that I don't see a case for implicating Grant in this crime "beyond a reasonable doubt."
BTW, as I have also said previously, it seems to me that bb's theory of the case is similar to that of DK's theory of the case, and, for that matter, an earlier ElM's theory posted under the heading "Who framed Harlow Cuadra."
elmysterio [June 6, 2007 1:29 AM said...
ReplyDeleteJody your an asshole
Is this your idea of a rational argument?
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ReplyDeletewell that was jody's last post here so ya ... very rational i'd say ....
ReplyDeleteey prof... mate buddy pal chum
Prof, a thoughtful post, but I can't agree. A few responses:
ReplyDeleteIt's by no means obvious that Grant/Sean cooperated before the police interview on Feb 9 - 15 days after they learned who killed Bryan. People have been online saying they cooperated much earlier, and maybe they did. But that isn't established. By 2/9, it was obvious the investigation was leading to Harlow/Joe and to Vegas. Their cooperation at that point can easily be viewed as a defensive strategy.
The affadavit says police learned of Bryan's e-mail to Sean (mentioning the model appointment and sent the day of the killing) from Cobra's webmaster, interviewed five days later. 15 other e-mail messages are quoted directly in the affadavit, but not this one, nor is it even described fully. Curious.
Harlow and/or Joe would have as much credibility as a jury decided, depending on how compelling their testimony was, and if they provide any details that Grant and/or Sean did not and which could be supported by evidence. Conspirators testify in court all the time, and defendants are often convicted, in part, because of it.
The threatening messages from Joe to Grant on 3/2 are incriminating. The defense would have other interpretations, but again, their meaning would ultimately be for a jury to decide.
I can think of many things the police might already know or have that could implicate Grant/Sean, and more that could Joe or Harlow might point them to.
Beyond a reasonable doubt? Maybe not, with a good defense. Enough for an indictment? That's a different matter.
In my opinion, Harlow and Joe's defence would be strengthened by either Sean or Grant offering prosecution evidence.
ReplyDeleteAll the defence need is to create doubt in the mind of 1 member of the jury - regardless of the reality.
Any competent defence atty. will be capable of introducing compeling evidence of Sean and Grant's antipathy towards Bryan such as to support that doubt.
Of course if the circumstantial evidence can be supplemented by physical evidence then things change against them and also Sean & Grant if they were in collusion.
What if there was a tape of the Bellagio meal ???
However, I have little confidence that there will be any successful conviction for Bryan's murder.
That is the irony. The more Sean & Grant appear guilty in some way, the more likely Harlow & Joe will walk.
Something just struck me as I read back my post. Who suggested the nude beach?
ReplyDeleteIf it was H&J it suggested an awareness of wiretaps.
Such an awareness may have come from their own use of such deceptions in the past. In which case maybe Joe's assertion of there being a recording of the Bellagio meal may be credible.
I have no idea, but maybe another bombshell awaits us. Who knows ??
Cad, that would indeed be a bombshell.
ReplyDeleteSo long as we're on the topic, there's another element to that message I find curious. It reads: "and we all know what u said to us at the avn in vegas and we have it on tape recorder and out conversation at le Cirque is recorded as well"
What does "as well" mean here? Are "what you said at the AVN" and the Le Cirque conversation two separate events?
I also agree that Grant/Sean are in for a rough ride if Harlow or Joe go to trial. I had a friend who's a judge read the affadavit (heds never heard of any of this so I thought his opinions might be interesting) and I asked about that. Normally the defense is on a tight leash about presenting an alternative killer, but under these circumstances he thinks they'll have more latitude.
I'm more optimistic than you that it won't damage the prosecution much, however. A juror might wonder why they aren't all on trial, but I don't think it would stop him from accepting that Harlow/Joe were indeed the killers.
Oops, forgot to mention...
ReplyDeleteYes, according to the affidavit, it was H/J who suggested the beach:
"Cuadra and Kerekes then addressed Roy and Lockhart stating that if the foursome went to the nude beach the next day, Cuadra and Kerekes could answer any questions asked of them." (p. 19)
j-bee I too am aware of a judge's view and it does not diverge from what you suggest.
ReplyDeleteYes, certain additional evidence could make a very significant difference.
BTW I have agreed to a request to visit the US next month. I look forward to seeing how matters move forward.
"Alternative killer" was the wrong phrase. In this case, it would be presenting G/S as having greater motive, and with sufficient knowledge of the defendants to have implicated them. Not that I think a jury will believe H/J were framed (it would be too complex), but you cast doubt wherever and however you can.
ReplyDeleteprof says:
ReplyDelete"ElM's theory posted under the heading "Who framed Harlow Cuadra."
elms has flip flopped since early Feb when he first got involved in this saga. his being recent to this saga explains why.
DK picked up on my hit-man theory. a theory i still stand by.
if the toxic twink and his cobrakiller made a deal with one gov agency, does that mean the other agencies involved can not touch them?
ReplyDeleteprof said...
ReplyDelete"elmysterio [June 6, 2007 1:29 AM said...
Jody your an asshole"
Is this your idea of a rational argument?"
yes it is. elm is right, anyone who disagrees is wrong :)
BCO hasn't been updated since 23rd May - last time Brent didn't blog was when he was meeting H/J at Black Beach...wonder whats going on now?
ReplyDeleteyeap making my stomach turn here ... ya always know when there trouble ahead with the ol BCO ... when its quiet ya just feel it ... know what ya mean there buddy ...scarey aint it
ReplyDeleteWhat I find interesting is the quickness of preparing to record the Blacks Beach meeting. If H/J suggested meeting there the day before, the agencies must have scrambled like hell to get everything set up, including providing Sean with sunglasses that "allegedly" had the recording device in them (just one theory of how their conversation was recorded).
ReplyDeleteall the time bco is quiet, the sean spin group starts to work here. now even they are quiet. let´s see
ReplyDeleteafter readding the affidavit i don´t think h&j were framed. that would really a little to complicated. but there was a 3rd person mentioned present at the meeting. i don´t know what this means.
Mr. Cuadra's and Mr. Kerekes' lawyers may well try to put forth an 'alternate theory of the crime' that implicates Brent and Grant, but given what we've seen just of the circumstantial case against C&K, I don't see how that alternate theory gets around C&K in Mr. Kocis' house that night with a knife.
ReplyDeleteC&K may well have the ability to get Brent & Grant in some trouble, but that trouble doesn't get C&K off any hooks, does it?
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ReplyDeletebb: I don't believe a prosecutor can grant immunity that covers another jurisdiction (state vs. Federal, for instance). I also doubt that Grant/Sean were given immunity, but of course I don't know. It's also possible, at least regarding court testimony, that you can be given immunity regarding your testimony but not from charges related to it. In other words, your testimony would not be used against you in a later case against you. My judge friend says this is unusual but does happen. Whether this could apply to evidence like the Black's Beach recordings, I don't know.
ReplyDeleteI can imagine G/S's lawyer arguing that if H/J believed wrongly there was a deal, G/S would need to act and speak during the surveillance as if there was one, so they should be immune from having those recordings used against them later. If there was no such deal with police, the recordings' admissability in any G/S trial might still be challenged, or at least this could be a defense argument to a jury as to why any self-incriminating statements in them should not be accepted as indicators of guilt.
>ab<: I read the affadavit as intriguingly unclear about whether there might have been a third visitor, an H/J accomplice. I don't think it establishes it one way or the other.
km: I agree, H/J's lawyer/s portraying G/S as having greater motive should not convince a jury that H/J weren't involved and responsible. But if you can introduce doubt about who instigated the plan, and who actually killed Bryan, you might be able to escape conviction for at least one of them on the murder charge, if the jury can still convict on conspiracy, robbery, arson, etc. That might make the difference between a life sentence and one that offers hope of release in, say, 20 years.
I believe if one of them cooperates, it will be Harlow, since his comments on the tape (and even in his 1/25 call to Sean) seem to indicate that he did not do the killing. That might make it more palatable to prosecutors and the Kocis family that Harlow get a deal which would impose something less than life, if his cooperation helped bring further charges.
I've always thought that if either Harlow and Joe do end up agreeing to a plea bargain, it would reduce their sentence from a possible death conviction to life in prison (just a thought). Interesting that as of yet, we have not heard of either one "singing" to authorities because, as someone mentioned earlier, they would have to admit being in Bryan's house and either committing the murder or being witness (and thus complicit) to it.
ReplyDeleteIf H/J do start singing Grant and Sean's name, I have no clue what implications this would mean for them. Time will tell, as usual.
I agree with j-bee, if any one starts to sing, my bet would be Harlow.
ReplyDeleteMy reading of the criminal complaint just screams one thing: a couple of state cops at the Wyoming barracks did not put this thing together. It's far too complex. And that particular police posting is not one that is coveted by up and comers in the PA state police. In short, if these detectives were able to do this kind of work, they would already have been posted to Philly or Harrisburg.
ReplyDeleteNo, this thing was put together by the FBI, almost certainly , and presented to the state cops with a big red bow on it.
That being so, if there was an offer of immunity, it was very likely one offered federally, and I'd wager it was a blanket offer. If it was not, and some loophole puts Brent and Grant on trial someplace, any conviction will have an automatic possibility for appeal because whomsoever brokered the deal in such a case was obviously 'incompetent counsel.'
voch: Yes, that's the dilemma, they cannot cooperate without abandoning hope of somehow beating the charges entirely. If there's any chance of getting the beach recordings ruled inadmissable, for example, they might want to wait for that decision before cooperating. I also wonder whether any prosecution offers or negotiations would even happen prior to the extradition to PA and the formal indictment.
ReplyDeleteIt could be some time before we learn who, if either, cooperates. Or, one of them might be talking with prosecutors right now.
I just read on the Times Leader online page that the bond hearing was postponed again.
ReplyDeleteThe article mentions Sean, Lee Bergeron, and an unnamed person from Indiana University. Curiously, Grant Roy is not mentioned. Sean and Bergeron are mentioned as being contacted by Cuadra up to Kocis's murder. Perhaps Grant was only acting as Bergeron's agent which would seem a mighty big step down for a partner.
I am beginning to think that Cuadra was attempting to blackmail Kocis into releasing Sean to work with him on the film project. Whatever Cuadra could obtain from Kocis, documents, film, master recordings could have become leverage to pressure Sean into working with Cuadra. Cuadra would be the brains of this scheme, and Kerekes the muscle. Some things would then make sense.
It would explain why Sean left his job as a production assistant to return home quickly(frightened)by Cuadra's nonchalant way of informing him that Kocis was dead.
At any event, Cuadra was not too bright. You don't discuss a murder and its aftermath on a public beach which may mean that any persons, aside from Sean, Grant, Harlow, and Joe, in the vicinity of the discussions could have been interviewed by the police for what they may have overheard.
The Bergeron angle is new and the lack of Grant Roy being mentioned at all is intriguing.
I'm trying to imagine how you blackmail a guy who has already been tagged (rightly or wrongly) as the statutory rapist of a 15yo.
ReplyDeleteExtortion turned deadly, maybe?
http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/news
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From the Citizen's Voice (the other Wilkes-Barre paper):
A bail hearing scheduled for today in Virginia Beach, Va. for the two suspects in the Bryan Kocis murder case was postponed because prosecutors had finally obtained governor's extradition warrants, the prosecutor's office said.
Jailed for allegedly slaying their "main rival" in the gay pornography business, Harlow Cuadra and Joseph Kerekes had filed a motion to hold a bond hearing Thursday.
Early Thursday, the Office of the Commonwealth's Attorney in Virginia Beach received in the mail signed warrants by Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine and Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, seeking the extradition of the two men to Luzerne County to face murder charges.
Cuadra, 25, and Kerekes, 33, have been challenging extradition.
"Once we receive those warrants, bond becomes irrelevant," said Paul Powers, a senior assistant commonwealth attorney.
Powers said it was merely a "coincidence" the warrants arrived the same day as the bond hearing.
Thursday's developments canceled an extradition hearing set for June 14. A motions hearing is now set for June 27 at 9:30 a.m., Powers said.
Good find KM!
ReplyDeleteGuess DK's 'sources' where wrong again... gee, what a surprise.
ReplyDeleterob: A small correction - the Times Leader article says those people were in touch with Kocis, not Cuadra:
ReplyDelete"Investigators claimed Sean Lockhart, businessman Merlin Lee Bergeron and an unnamed person from Indiana University had been in contact with Kocis before he was killed, the search warrants affidavits say."
It also says investigators "sought" information from them "early in the investigation." What information was actually provided, and when, remains an intriguing unknown.
km: Thanks for the Citizens Voice link. It's looking like extradition is becoming more of a formality and less of an issue, and likely to happen by June 27.
I could not agree more.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you all make out of Grant Roy not being mentioned, even as a potential witness. Bergeron was a surprise to me and the IU person.
Thank you for the update from the Wilkes/Barre paper. That sure makes Damon K. look like a complete dunce. I predict he gets flushed and circles the drain.
ReplyDeleteCould be that Grant and Kocis were beyond the point where civil conversation could take place and Bergeron tried to intervene to protect his investment.
ReplyDeleteAs for this mystery IU person, who knows? Another potential Cobra model? When cops dump the phone LUDs of a victim, they do get alot of junk data, along with the gems. Could be this IU person was a little of both-- say, useful in setting a timeline, but little else. But obviously he was not extremely helpful, or he would have been mentioned in the criminal complaint.