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Thursday, March 12, 2009

Guilty


Harlow Cuadra was found guilty on all counts. It is over for Harlow.
You can read about it here and here. If you want to celebratre you can do that here and here.

35 comments:

  1. "If you want to celebratre you can do that here and here."

    But what can we do here?

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  2. What ever the fuck you wanna do. I don't moderate comments so if you have something to say, say it.

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  3. I'm much more interested in what you have to say, Elm. But there's no rush, I'm sure you're still processing it.

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  4. will, I really don't have anything to say. I knew what the verdict was going to be months ago. No real shock to here. I said what I thought it was going to be on PC's blog and Jim's as well. Harlow will get the death penalty.

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  5. I'm not just talking about the verdict Elm, although I think even you may have been surprised at the very short deliberation, but I'm sure people would like to know what you made of his testimony on the stand, among other things. And his saying Sean and Grant had NOTHING to do with it. I know you've got plenty to say, you've just been a little quiet during all of this.

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  6. Nope not much to say at all. Right now it has all pretty much been said. So if you want to go through my blog and take things that I have said in the past be my guest.

    All I ever really want was for Harlow to have a fair trial.
    Harlow had his day in court and he had a jury and they convicted him. End of story.

    Now if you all want to sit around and discuss what he did wrong be my guest. My opinion is he fucked up along time ago when he got mixed up with Joe. There is your jumping off point go for it.

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  7. I agree with you about Joe, El. At the same time, he was an impressionable kid looking for a father figure. And let's face it, Joe is evil incarnate. That stunt he pulled in court was the deciding factor in the verdict. If not for that, I don't think the jury would have gone for 1st degree. And considering Joe's fate was already decided -- for life -- he would have had nothing to lose by taking responsibility entirely on himself -- out of love, the love he never had for Harlow.

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  8. Yes Elm....after all this time - the years following this saga... Those emails and comments from "Mark" and then Harlows blog .. all Joe ...

    I can't help but feel for Harlow ... I truely feel he was played by Joe... as he played everyone else... even the Jury and the Courts

    I was surprised that they went 1st Degree ... I thought 2nd Degree for sure ...

    We abolished the Death Penalty in the early 70's and recently it was found that the last man killed under that system was possibly not guilty... I find it amazing that 12 "ordinary" people and sentance someone to death...

    So now all the parties in the case can get on with it all ... whatever all is ... don't know how or why any of them would want to be involved in the whole porn game...

    I'll miss the banter from some bloggers ... and for me BC and the unmentionable one will now just fade off in to the distance GR will hopefully dissapear off the scene (not soon enough) to never be heard of again...

    Kocis's blood is still on a lot of peoples hands... including a judge or two and Harlows blood is now on a lot of peoples hands ..not just his own

    thanks elm for everything i wish you well ...

    Rob in Oz

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  9. Nice to here from you again. I do agree with you on all of this. It was really all about bullshit. Bryan was killed becuase he was in a business that he should not have been allowed to operate. His guilty plea in 2001 or 2002 should have forbid him from operating a pornograhic business.

    Luzerne County should not have tried this case.
    Harlow was wrong for not telling the truth earlier. Joe fucked up more than just his life he fucked up several lives. Everyone who was involved with this has to take some of the blame for what has transpired.

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  10. Update 6: Per Sassy's advice in the comments here, I went combing through the CCTs and BBTs, to see what clues I could find as to who dominated who in the Harlow/Joe relationship. These were the most telling items I found:


    "HARLOW CUADRA: I'll tell you what, when we're nude on that beach you can ask me whatever the hell you want.

    GRANT ROY: Okay.

    JOSEPH KEREKES: Really?

    HARLOW CUADRA: Yea."
    Here we have Harlow making a critical (ha ha, how's that for understatement!) decision in this saga, all on his own. Joe meekly aquieses, with the one-word question to Harlow: "Really?" And then right after that we have:


    "GRANT ROY: So y'all going to Sea World tomorrow?

    JOSEPH KEREKES: Honestly Grant, if you can't give us a positive word tonight, we're gonna head back tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon.

    HARLOW CUADRA: Well we'll give you 'til tomorrow."
    Now, here's the exact opposite; Joe makes a decision, and then Harlow completely overrides it.

    I think we now know who was the "controlling" partner in this relationship.

    I am certain with time I could find more such examples in the transcripts, showing Harlow to be the dominant partner, but these I could locate quickly enough because I recall musing about the first one specifically before, months ago.

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  11. Oh, and nice to see you too, Rob in Oz. How does it feel, me being so right, you being so wrong, after all is said and done?

    Ah, it feels good to gloat!

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  12. Jim, I know you really must be thrilled that you were right about all of this. But let me temper your excitement with this sobering fact.

    1 person is dead and one person is in jail and one person is facing the possibility of being put to death.

    Three families have been devastated by this not to mention many other people who were some how connected to all of this.

    Now how exciting can that be? Do you cheer at school bus crashes?

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  13. Come on Elm, you have to admit that if all of your theories about this case, from Sean and Grant being culpable to Harlow and Joe being set up, had been proven true in the end, you would be doing just a LITLLE bit of gloating yourself.

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  14. will, you sound as heartless and unfeeling as Joe. how some of these bloggers can even feel self-satisfied when, as el put it, we are dealing with the devastation of at least 3 families here, makes my blood run cold.

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  15. To tell you the truth I don't think so. There is stuff about this case that disgusted me. There are people who blogged about this case that disgusted me. There were people who were directly involved in this case who disgusted me.

    The one thing that I can truly say about all of this is that I am glad that it is over. As far as me doing a big expose about who lied about what I don't think I will waste my time on it.

    Those who were lying know who they are and those who were trying to get to the truth know who they are. I really don't want to waste my time on this bullshit anymore.


    Let's hope PC and Kentie get their book deals. They are so much alike that it is scary. Let Jim gloat about how he was right. Let BB continue to bad mouth Sean and Grant. And lets hope Rob gets a clue.

    We will always have the taint of this on us for as long as we all live. Will if you want to celebrate this tragedy be my guest. I just don't think I will be attending this party. I think I will just take a hot shower and try to wash the dirt of all of this away.

    Oh I just want to let VJ know that I love "elmteligence" and to me that is the best thing that has come from all of this mess.

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  16. As far as me doing a big expose about who lied about what I don't think I will waste my time on it.

    Anticlimax!

    Elm, most of your "elmteligences" left me very puzzled. But for that very reason I loved them. You catched a lot of flack, sometimes even from me. But I always liked you.
    I wish you all the best!

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  17. Brynawel, I'm not going anywhere I just don't feel that it is all that necessary to dig up all of that crap right now.

    I am just a little tired of this case right now and I think I will move on from it. There are so many other things that we can talk about besides this murder.

    Now maybe down the road I will spill all of the dirt but right now I think it is just a little anticlimatic.

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  18. I guess Sassy and Renee must have some really damaging stuff to use against you Elm, as they've been hinting.

    Oh well, that is unfortunate. But I suppose, not being in your shoes, I can't necessarily blame you.

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  19. Jim get a clue no one has any dirt on me. As a matter of fact Sassy wanted me to do the expose. Renee can kiss my round black ass. At this time I really don't think it is all that necessary to go stirring up more shit.

    I choose not to do a report on who said what myself. Now if you feel it is necessary to try and make me feel bad for not doing it be my guest.

    But you should know this I am not going to this because I don't want to do it. There is no other reason other than that. I have thought about it and I really don't feel it is all that necessary.

    You all seem to have all of the answers anyway and nothing that I could say could change your mind. So the question is why bother?

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  20. So the question is why bother?

    It would be amusing ...

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  21. Well Bryn it would be amusing, but I was going through all of thew emails and all of the instant messages and all of the documents that I have and it is a daunting task.

    It will take allot of time to do all of that and I don't know if I want to devote that much time and energy to this subject anymore. Maybe down the road I might do it but not right now.Just the thought of it all gives me a headache.

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  22. Here is one thing that I will tell you about this case and I think it should be put out there. Harlow did not send the applications to Cobra Video. Joe did it, he told me himself on the morning before they were arrested.

    Joe was a fucking drunk and he would run off at the mouth when he was drinking. He was also the fucking idiot who spoke to Damon Kruezer and claimed that he was Harlow.

    Joe was using Harlow's Email accounts to email me. Joe was also well aware that they were being recorded while they were in San Diego.

    Joe was the one who planned this, Harlow thought that he was going to work with Cobra so he could film with Sean. Harlow was duped in to this. Harlow's mistake was to not tell the truth from the start.

    He fucked up and now he has to deal with his actions. Joe was lying about all of this from the very start. He used Harlow and now he has fucked up another life.

    Joe wanted me to post pictures of Harlow on my blog. He wanted to make Harlow the center of all of this mess. Joe is the one who was stupid enough to think that the police were not investigating this murder. Joe was abusive and fucking crazy.

    The reason I did not say anything sooner is that they were being tried together. Joe proved how fucking crazy he was when he lied about Fannick. Fannick did talk to Joe alright but it was about Harlow.

    Joe was pissed off becuase Harlow was getting support and he was not because everyone knew that Joe did it. So if that makes you all happy to know that I am glad but will it change anything that happened, I don't think so.

    The prosecutions motive for this murder was bullshit. Joe killed Bryan becuase he was crazy. Just like Harlow said Joe was a jealous freak.

    Joe was a fucking pimp and I told him that his little escort business was going to get him busted. We got into a fight about that and I told him he was a idiot.

    There was and is allot about this case that has not been made public and to tell you the truth I don't think allot of it should.

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  23. Love the new name for the blog Elm!!!

    And Thomas, I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my comment, it was not meant that way at all. Bloggers staked out their "turfs" about this case and started fighting about it, with a lot of spurious theories and unsubstantiated "facts" and baseless accusations being thrown around, long before I began participating. It's only natural, as it draws to a long-overdue close, that there be some recognition and review of what was proven to be true and what wasn't.

    There is absolutely no disrespect meant to anyone in doing so. I do think much of the acrimony and bile that was hurled between bloggers the last two years was extremely unfortunate, and it would be nice to see some reconciliation before it's all said and done.

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  24. If what you say is true Elm, Harlow could have single-handedly ended this nonsense on May 16, 2007.

    And I DARESAY gotten a better deal than the one he is about to recieve...

    He also had three interview chances (Out, Rolling Stone, Here) to move public opinion, tell people about Joe, and didn't. Thus making it look like he just made all this "controlling Joe" crap up at the last minute before trial.

    So, either Harlow is a monumental fool, or, what you think you know about them may not be entirely accurate.

    Final points to ponder. This:

    "Adam Greibier said he worked for Cuadra and Kerekes as an escort and appeared in one of their adult films titled, “Young Bucks In Heat II.” Greibier described their relationship as a “joint power,”"

    and this:

    "Update 4: Off topic: Witness Renee Martin threatens blogger Elmysterio: "El sure dont want me to tell all the shit I know on him cause that would make heads fly." (1:48pm)."

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  25. Jim, Renee can say what ever she wants to say but the fact remains that she was arrested by the prosecution and forced to go to Luzerne county and I was not.

    She was the one who broke the law with the three way phone calls between Joe and Harlow I did not do that.

    She can grand stand all she wants about her role in all of this but she and her dear husband Jimmy got into many fights about her involvment in this case and he turned her ass in.

    So as far as Renee Martin goes i have said it before but I will say it again she can kiss my round black ass.

    As far as Joe being the controlling ogre that is fact and it can be proven by many people. Joe and harlow's little escort business was being investigated and there was a little problem with that and the "models" who testified against them were in a similar situation too Renee.

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  26. Jim as far as Harlow doing the right thing that was for Harlow to do I had no say in what he did. He did what he did for his own reasons.

    This is why I did not want to go into any of this shit because it would just casue more fucking debates about the who's and the why's so I will just leave it at that.

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  27. Jim....

    gloat away ... personally it makes me sick to my stomach to read that

    no need to pursue this anymore .... the damage so many people caused has been well and truely done... i'm amazed at all the kudos for GR and BC... wow they will be "gloating" all the way .... to where ever ... i sure as shit don't care for them at all ...

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  28. Elm, why do you choose to put any stock whatsoever in what Joe had to say to you way back when about this murder? You keep complaining about how everybody was feeding you lies, but you now say you trust a proven liar's words to you about who did what, instead of what he said under oath two years later in his plea bargain. Which of those versions do you think is more reliable? I'll put my money on the latter.

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  29. For Christ's sake Elm either man up or shut the fuck up! Whine - whine - whine. Complain - complain - complain. You're showing about as much spine here as Brian showed head when he was being wheeled out of his burned down home.

    I know girls with more balls than you have.

    Don't you EVER get sick and tired of hearing yourself Whine - whine - whine?

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  30. Will this is the exact reason that I am not going to discuss this shit anymore. I knew that a bunch of you would all be there chomping at the bit to claim that either I was lying or who ever told me anything was lying. So In other words if you want to argue with someone argue with Rob he seems to enjoy it.

    SRB412 you are a fine one to tell someone to man up, why don't you man up and admit that you are that fucking idiot Geoff Harvard.

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    You are a fine one to give someone advice. You are a fucking racist and a asshole as well.

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  31. "Will this is the exact reason that I am not going to discuss this shit anymore."

    That's bullshit Elm. You know it and I know it. If I had a dollar for every time you said you were walking away from discussing this case I would have a gazillion dollars. Don't ever use me or anyone else to excuse your mental and emotional shortcomings.

    You love wallowing in your own misery - you really do. Have you tried any anti-depressants?

    Ps. You really should apologize to Geoff Harvard.

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  32. "SRB412 you are a fine one to tell someone to man up, why don't you man up and admit that you are that fucking idiot Geoff Harvard.

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    You are a fine one to give someone advice. You are a fucking racist and a asshole as well."

    Since when do I have to invent a new alias to post here? Elm, you are a phony piece of shit, and you have shredded your last ounce of credibility. When you bring forth your magnum opus, the email and IM record, how is anyone supposed to believe it?

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  33. Geoff, why were you only here for 9 seconds? I've heard of speed reading but that's ridiculous!

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  34. Look Geoff or srb412 or who ever you are I really don't give a fuck who you are or what you stand for. In my opinion you are a shit disturbing jerk who is just laying in wait to attack someone.

    So go do it on your own blog. I am sure there are many people who would like to join you in your mission to discredit. So have at it because I don't care.

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  35. Srb412 you are correct I did make an error when I said that you were posting as will G. I am sorry and I will make the corrections as necessary. I have confirmed your IP adress is not the one that is impersonting Will G. as amatter of fact it shows that you are on the other side of the country.

    I have never claimed to be perfect and I feel that life has a learning curve and I now know how this IP thing works and how blogger IDs work. Someone posted as yopu on my blog Just as they posted as will and Geoff and they used that same profile. that is where the mistake came from. it seems that several people my self included have posted as other names at any given time. Ebony wood was originaly freaks from hell Just as your were at one time 2020.

    In doing my research on this I have found some interesting findings and they will be a part of a blog post on fraudulent ID on blogger. I do hope you accept my apology and I will continue my reseach on this problem.

    Geoff Harvard I also apologize to you as well for thinking that you were Srb412/2020. there is something fishy going on here and you can be sure that I am going to get to the bottom of this.

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